Baby dies because mother refused newborn vitamin K shot

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The cornerstone principle of preventive medicine is that it is better to prevent disease than to to treat it after it has developed. That seems to be a non-controversial principle, except, apparently, in the world of infant and child woo. There the typical response to devastating preventable diseases and injuries is to pretend that they won’t happen.

Homebirth advocates like to pretend that life threatening complications don’t occur in childirth; midwifery proponents like to pretend that there is plenty of time to transfer to physician care when life threatening complications do occur; anti-vaccinationists like to pretend that vaccines are unnecessary, and all of them delight in the fantasy that “good nutrition” and a “strong immune system” are magically protective against everything.

It has become highly fashionable among some Western, white, relatively well off women to refuse standard newborn preventive care, whether that is the Hep B vaccine, neonatal ophthalmic ointment, or vitamin K shots. Proponents of this transgressive behavior like to think that it marks them as independent thinkers. It doesn’t; it marks them as ignorant, gullible and willing to take terrible risks with the lives of their children for no better reason that to preen to themselves and others.

It also marks them as wishful thinkers who pretend that their child will never be exposed to hepatitis B, that their partner would never have an affair and become infected with gonorrhea and that their child’s blood will clot in the absence of adequate vitamin K.

As a result, children die agonizing preventable deaths like this poor infant who sustained massive intracranial bleeding because her mother refused the shot that would have prevented it.

According to the Coroner’s Court:

The baby’s … initial neonatal examination was also normal. In accordance with her parents’ wishes and the birthing plan, she did not receive Vitamin K, nor was she vaccinated for Hepatitis B. Information relating to the vitamin K injection was provided to the parents during their first antenatal visit. The information stated the reasons why vitamin K is recommended, namely that it assists the blood to clot and that newborn babies require it to prevent bleeding problems especially in the first few months after birth. The parents submitted a birth plan, which stated their decision not to have vitamin K administered…

The baby was exclusively breastfed (the major risk factor for vitamin K deficiency) and was doing well. Then:

One month after the birth, the mother noticed that the baby had been sleeping a lot and was not feeding as much as usual. She was noted to cry out at times and then settle. She went to sleep that night, but an hour later, she vomited. In the early hours of the next morning, the mother went to change her nappy and she was seen to be limp. The Queensland Ambulance Service (QAS) was contacted.

What had happened?

A CT scan … showed widespread subarachnoid haemorrhage and left sided subdural haemorrhage (bleeding on the surface and beneath the dura/lining of the brain). This was causing some effacement of the left ventricle (compression of the cavity within the brain as a result of increased pressure and mass effect). There was also loss of grey/white differentiation of the brain matter, which indicated damage to the brain and widening of the spaces between the skull bones. No fractures were seen. There was haemorrhaging within both eyes, and her pupils were non-reactive.

A blood test called an INR (International Normalised Ratio) was conducted. This test measures the time it takes for blood to clot and compares it to an average, with one being normal and 10 being extremely thin and prone to bleeding. The baby’s measurement was 10.

In other words, the baby had developed hemorrhagic disease of the newborn, the very condition that the vitamin K shot is designed to prevent. As a result, she bled into her head so much and for so long that her brain was compressed and destroyed.

The baby’s condition did not improve overnight or into the next morning. There remained markedly elevated intracranial pressure and her prognosis was considered to be extremely poor. She remained on ventilation over night. Following discussion with her parents, the baby’s life support measures were withdrawn the next morning and she subsequently died.

The baby died a painful, prolonged and entirely senseless death because the person she depended on to protect her, her mother, thought she knew better than the pediatricians for whom vitamin K has been standard prophylaxis for more than 50 years. Why did the mother think she knew better? Because she read it in a book or on a website and it sounded good to her.

Being a parent ought to mean putting a child’s health and brain function before anything else, including the mother’s desire to be transgressive, and even the mother’s distress at her child’s temporary discomfort as a result of an injection. It means taking the advice of experts, not pretending that you are an expert. It means doing whatever you can to prevent the child’s death and disability,not pretending that wishful thinking is a form of preventive care.

  • Box of Salt

    I came across this very information article written by a pediatrician through a post on another website:
    http://www.healio.com/pediatrics/journals/pedann/%7Bb5ee598c-213c-4284-86b7-c7055e31f71a%7D/playing-newborn-intracranial-roulette-parental-refusal-of-vitamin-k-injection

    I hope anyone who lands here to argue reads and thinks about it.

    • Box of Salt

      Since the whole link does not show up, the title of the article is
      “Playing Newborn Intracranial Roulette: Parental Refusal of Vitamin K Injection”Apologies for the typo: information should read informative (nothing like having to do that 3x)

  • ocean.

    Interesting article, both me and my son were not given a vitamin K shot at birth and we’ve been growing up healthy and happy. I understand every case is different, however, should have I been premature or had a vacuum extraction it was recommended by my midwife to reconsider.

    • Young CC Prof

      About 1.7% of babies who don’t get Vitamin K develop hemorrhagic disease of the newborn. What that means is that most babies will be fine either way, but the risk of rejecting Vitamin K is significant.

      If no babies received Vitamin K, there would be 68,000 cases of hemorrhagic disease of newborn every year in the USA, many resulting in brain damage, some fatal.

  • SPECIALK

    amy tuteur seems like a real bitch. self-trolling her own article’s comment section. bitch.

    • Dr Kitty

      Alternatively, she’s responding to people who comment on her blog…you know, trying to have a dialogue, exercising her right to reply, stuff like that.

      The Irish judge is deducting style points for use of misogynistic slurs.

    • Trixie

      Lolz. As opposed to trolling someone else’s blog, like you’re doing right now?

  • Mc

    I wonder if there would have been the same problem had she included natto in her diet. Though it is a strong fermented food it has 1103 micrograms of vitamin K2′ and is the absolute best source of vit k, as far as amount. The benefits of vit K2 has shown significant importance is peer reviewed scientific articles and is becoming a more intensely studied nutrient. I have no issue with home births or refusing vaccinations, which peer reviewed articles provide convincing evidence against. However one must know what they are doing. The synergistic impact of all fat soluble vitamins A, D, E, K2 must be included in the diet of anyone but especially pregnant or lactating women.

    This author is either ignorant or maliciously peddling fear, either way it is to anyone’s benefit to do their own research.

  • Common sense

    Maybe the vitamin K shot would be less objectionable if it didn’t also contain Phenol (carbolic acid – a poisonous substance derived from coal tar), Benzyl alcohol (preservative), Propylene glycol (better known as antifreeze and a hydraulic in brake fluid), Acetic acid (astringent, antimicrobial agent), Hydrochloric acid, Lecithin and Castor oil. Read the insert “Dr.”.

    • Amy Tuteur, MD

      Doctors get their information from scientific papers, not package inserts.

    • toni

      Some of those things are found in common toiletries. I’ve even seen lecithin listed on some health foods. Propylene glycol isn’t the dangerous kind of anti freeze it’s in lots of stuff and I’m glad there is something in the injection to kill microbes! Hydrochloric acid sounds a bit dodgy but it is found in the human body and I’m sure it is a very tiny amount! And castor oil well I thought that was all the rage with health conscious natural types.

    • Box of Salt

      Common sense, most of the ingredients you list are only scary if you know absolutely nothing about chemistry.

      Lecithin is an emulsifier used in many foods (it helps them stay mixed).
      Antifreeze is actually ethylene glycol, not propylene glycol (which is used in vaccines, as well as many other things.
      Acetic acid is vinegar.
      Hydrochloric acid sound scarier than it is, too – it’s what your stomach acid is consists of, and it’s used to make water soluble salt preprations of many medicines (that’s why they have the word “hydrochloride” in their names).
      Castor oil? Are you kidding me? It’s a traditional home remedy. On the other hand, it might be worth being afraid of that one.

    • Bombshellrisa

      Castor oil is what homebirth midwives suggest to do a “natural induction”. You mix it with orange juice and vodka or put it in a milkshake

  • channonh

    This doctor/author’s presentation perfectly demonstrates the headstrong, arrogant and blockheaded approach of many in the medical community that provides the very spark for intelligent parents to pause and say, “Wait. Nothing in life is this black and white. Perhaps we should investigate on our own.” Perhaps if America’s medical community were just slightly open to new ideas, the concept that their rock-solid foundations might be flawed, and that science is a evolving body of knowledge, their current positions would sit better with a greater percentage of intelligent parents, who just might be less likely to end up on the opposite end of the spectrum. Regarding vitamin K injections, current research indicates that a 0.5mg injection–instead of the current practice of 1.0mg–provides the SAME level of blood clotting protection, yet reduces the risk that the vitamin K injection may increase the odds of childhood leukemia.

    • Amy Tuteur, MD

      Perhaps if you weren’t so arrogant in your ignorance you might realize that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

    • Young CC Prof

      How can you reduce a zero risk? There’s no association between Vit K and leukemia. One study suggested there might be, others found a definite no.

  • BecauseUDocDontMakeUBetter

    You are an terrible author, who thinks her opinion is better than other. I like how you decide people who don’t want vaccines to be ignorant. Remember, smoking and circumcisions were “healthy” and recommended at one point. Just because everyone is doing it doesn’t make it right. Do you even know what the actual synthetic vitamin k is made from? It’s not natural…

    • Captain Obvious

      So, I take it you did not give your baby Vitamin K1. Why don’t you continue your thought about how vitamin K1 is made and what it gets metabolized in the human body. How much actually ends up being used and how much excess is found in the bile or liver.

      • Meerkat

        Captain Obvious, it might be a bit snarky of me, but judging by BecauseUDocDontmakeUBetter’s grammar she/he has no idea what bile is.

    • guest

      The AAP’s current policy on circumcision is that the lifelong benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks. Google AAP circumcision task force report; it will take you directly to a great deal of science.

  • ilovecookies

    I think this woman honestly felt that she was doing what was best for her child. I am as pro vaccination as it gets however I can see why many western people get sucked into the whole anti-vax palava. They haven’t experienced the reality of the diseases and conditions that vaccinations and inoculations prevent. They are so used to seeing everyone well (thanks to vaccines) that they assume that vaccines are unnecessary. I think that maybe educating people on what life was like before vaccines and asking elderly people if they want to volunteer give talks to expectant Mothers about life before vaccinations would be a brilliant idea.

  • OB nurse

    All I have to say is “why take the chance?” I commend you Dr. Tueter for putting this subject into perspective and being straight forward. The benefits of the shot clearly outweigh the risks and your ultimate goal is to have a healthy mom and a healthy baby. While I never think that that a parent should have to watch a child die I also would never want to be the parent that has to ponder on what if I hadn’t made that decision? Sometimes it takes someone being a little harsh to put things into perspective and really think about the decisions you make concerning your children.

  • Dawn1078

    I found this article very harsh! I beleive in vaccines and my boys recieved of their shots when they were first botn but I did not research and made a decission that I beleived was right and every mother has to make that same decision. You should be a shame judging a woman so harshly. She lost her child I am sure she is judging herself enough!!

    • MaineJen

      Vitamin K shot is NOT A VACCINE. It’s a vitamin supplement, and it helps the baby develop the necessary clotting factors to prevent bleeding. They can’t get the vitamin K from Mom through the placenta or from the breast milk. It’s a shot that does absolutely no harm and a whole lot of good; it’s a safe, easy preventative measure. Any research that tells you differently is suspect.

    • Amy Tuteur, MD

      It’s meant to be harsh. Infant deaths caused my maternal ignorance is a harsh topic.

  • Coral Rose

    Amy Tuteur…Its arrogant self absorbed people like you that make me sick. As well educated as you might be you clearly dont know anything about humans beings. I would like to start off by saying I personally think all children should be vaccinated and given shots to prevent illness but i highly doubt that any mother would choose to go against her doctors wishes and tradition if she knew it would hurt her baby in any way, it is no extra effort whatsoever to allow your child to get the shots.. I am sure this woman thought she was doing what was best for her child and it is in no way your place to judge this mother and or “western thinkers” in general. i personally use herbs , roots and a healthy diet for almost all my sickness it it works 100 percent better for me and i have zero side effects, but because there is no research behind it so i would probably not use it to treat my child but if someone chooses to birth there baby under a waterfall and raise the child with rabid loins its not mine, yours or anyone else s choice but that child’s parents.

    Peace Love and Freedom!

    • Amy Tuteur, MD

      What makes you think I care about what you believe of me?

    • GuestB

      How does one know if they have rabid loins? Should I get mine checked out?

  • Amy Tuteur, MD

    Wow, Eric, what a coincidence. It’s ignorant clowns like you who make ME sick. You have to be frightfully stupid to think that you know more about bleeding disorders than hematologists simply by consulting Google.

  • Eric

    Doctors like Amy Tuteur make me sick. I am glad that Tuteur takes her job seriously but Patient-Physician relation means nothing compared to Mother-Child; she needs to understand her role and respect the mothers. The insults in this article show arrogance and self-absorption, the kind that doesn’t listen and doesn’t permit questions; that is very dangerous for the patient. This is a tragic story but you NEVER make a rule based on an exception. The title is immensely more absurd than refusing a vit-K shot. A world of educated and proactive mothers is much better than that of ignorant and dependent mothers.

    • Cassandra Sorensen Trujillo

      Its true the article is harsh, but it sounds to me like she is a doctor who has seen these unnecessary deaths more than just once and is probably incredibly frustrated about it as it is her job to keep the patients alive and healthy. Parents refusing these basic infant cares puts the doctor and nurses in an extremely helpless and frustrating situation when something does go wrong.

  • Carlos

    Case studies do not an argument make… it would have been easier to say that in many cases it’s unnecessary but when it’s needed it’s too late. Rather than rely on fear mongering to bolster the power imbalance between a practitioner and the patient. Lack of an MD doesn’t make us stupid. Be informative and accurate rather than a douche.

  • ron

    Dr. Tuteur, like so many doctors, is arrogant and unable to think critically. Such a shame, as so many look up to these people in “authoritative” positions. Spreading misinformation is one thing, but to be condescending is just childish. I will be sure to spread the word to avoid this blog and any articles written by this biased and ignorant doctor.

    • Carolina

      Uh huh. What part of this is “misinformation”? The baby’s cause of death? Seems pretty cut/dry. That Vitamin K shots are standard procedure to prevent this very complication? Also a fact. It’s hard to hear, but if the parents had folowed medical advice and given their child a freaking VITAMIN, they likely would still have her.

    • Cassandra Sorensen Trujillo

      The article is quite condescending, but if the baby’s INR was 10, its obvious that the vitamin K shot would have saved this baby’s life. Vitamin K DIRECTLY affects INR. Babies have a hard time producing vitamin K on their own at first, hence the shot. None of this is misinformation.

  • Amber B

    This article is an absolute joke. Do the benefits of the vaccine outweigh he risks? No. Your child has up to a 1.7% chance of having this outcome, and that’s partially based on whether you have good nutrition, have high levels of vitamin k, have a c-section, take antibiotics during your labor…Do your research, ladies, instead of listening to this doctor call people who raise their kids without medicine “crazy”. If you have a normal, natural birth, your child is WAY beyond low risk for having this issue. As far as the Hepatitis B joke at birth-also a joke. Unless you (as the mother) have Hep B, or your child is going to have gay sex or get stuck by a dirty needle in the first 24 hours after birth, there is absolutely ZERO reason to get this shot immediately.

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/03/27/high-risks-to-your-baby-from-vitamin-k-shot-they-dont-warn-you-about.aspx

    • Young CC Prof

      1) The vitamin K shot is not a vaccine, it’s a supplement. Learn the difference.

      2) According to that bizarre article you linked to, the biggest reason not to give your baby a vitamin K shot is that the shot might cause pain.

      Trust me, Amber, being shoved through the birth canal causes babies all kinds of pain. Seeing daylight for the first time causes pain. I would imagine the struggle to draw their first breath hurts. Within a few hours, the baby will know the pain of hunger for the first time. A baby’s first day is filled with massive physiological and emotional stress, regardless of the circumstances of birth, and one tiny little needle makes no difference.

      3) Mercola is not a neonatologist, pediatrician or obstetrician. He is an osteopath trained to treat adults.

    • Box of Salt

      For actual, referenced information about the HepB vaccine see:

      http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/why-universal-hepatitis-b-vaccination-isnt-quite-universal/

      This is a virus that can survive on surfaces for up to 7 days and result in chronic asymptomatic infections – or at least unti lthey result in liver cancer. Nice joke, Amber B.

      By the way, if you can’t tell the difference between a vitamin and a vaccine you should reconsider giving advice on either topic.

      • Jeanna Johnson Duncan

        It boils down to having a conversation with your pediatrician.
        Do your research and have a discussion. Many times, people become passionate about things like this because they have experienced an unfortunate situation that has made a lasting impression on them.

        . .

    • Kumquatwriter

      Did you actually read this article before commenting? You reference everything she specifically debunked. In any event, your comment is shockingly ignorant and perpetuates the exact behavior that caused the death of the child this damn article is about.

      ETA: Raising your children without medicine is not only crazy, its dangerous, myopic, selfish and plain stupid.

    • thin_red_line

      The risk factors you speak of are for Hep C, not Hep B. I contracted Hep B from a blood transfusion in 2000 when I was 15, that was not detected in the blood donor screening. Shit happens, why take the risk?

  • Ken Underwood

    ”infant and child woo” ?

  • Lyn

    My midwife told me today that there is now research that is questioning whether the peanut oil found in vitamin k injections could be linked to the high level of peanut allergies we are now seeing today. I haven’t looked into it, yet, but just something to throw out there for anyone interested in looking further into it.

    I believe Amy’s article is scaremongering and snobbery. Where were the statistics and data on the subject matter? Amy has just picked one case and used emotive words to try and make her case. And what is her case? That parents should just switch off their brains and blindly accept the ‘experts’ advice.

    Her claim that parents who choose to go against the ‘experts’ advice are ignorant, gullible, and are preening themselves is itself a statement made out of total ignorance and of arrogance. This again demonstrates the weakness of this article as, rather than give the reader the research and data, Amy chose to slander those who disagree with her.

  • ben

    The author has obviously been payed a substantial amount of money to put this article together,talk about scare mongering and be littleing. In light of your blog I for one will not be pushing the hep b vaccine or vitamin k on my newborn child.

    My partner has a healthy diet and me nor her are not drug takers and are not sleeping around behind each others back.I will let Gods creation devolop naturally and do its job and that is the immune system

    • Jocelyn

      You think Dr. Amy was paid to write this? She wrote this to prevent future tragedies happening because parents don’t understand the science behind things like the vitamin k shot.

      What are the reasons you have for not giving the vitamin k shot to your child?

      • Amber B
        • Jocelyn

          See Young CC Prof’s response above.

        • Box of Salt

          I’m pretty sure Joe Mercola makes a lot more money off of his website that Dr Amy makes here.

          Where are the shopping links here?

      • Concered Parent

        You do realize that there ARE risks associated with getting both the Hep B and vitamin K shot right? Both are linked to a higher chance of infant jaundice, which can be deadly. It is important to make an informed decision whether or not you decide to risk jaundice in your child. My child was in the nicu for 4 days due to jaundice, which most likely was caused by these shots. I will only be letting my child get the vitamin K shot if I have more children. There are always risks with whatever you decide to do. I hate that people are so judgmental. Just because you decide not to do something that other people think is essential, doesn’t make one uneducated. There are reasons behind the actions that people decide to make.

        • Young CC Prof

          Lots of newborns get jaundice. It’s one of many things that can go wrong as the baby’s organs try to function on their own for the first time. Fortunately, it can usually be reversed quite well with ultraviolet therapy until the baby’s own liver starts working properly.

          Do you have any evidence that Vitamin K or Hep B can contribute to jaundice? The Hep B especially I find biologically implausible.

          I have no problem with people making their own decisions. I do have a problem with people making dangerous decisions because they were grossly misinformed about the risks.

        • Box of Salt

          Concerned Parent,
          The HepB vaccine contains only some of the proteins found on the virus – those most likely to provoke the body’s ability to make antibodies. It cannot infect anyone with hepatitis, because it is not an actual virus. While the disease hepatitis does cause jaundice, that can only happen after infection by the actual virus. Which, I will point out again, is NOT in the vaccine.

          The most common cause of infant jaundice is being born. Sometimes, it takes an infant’s body a little while to figure out how to work right independently. There’s no need to blame that on things that are completely unrelated.

        • Amy Tuteur, MD

          You do realize that what you are saying is a bunch of nonsense, right? You need to get some basic education in immunology and hematology and you can’t get that from lay websites.

        • Susan

          I don’t think delaying the Hep B for a month or two is that bad but I also don’t think there is a good rationale for delaying it other.. that is as long as your baby is low risk. But I do think it is a major big deal to be spreading this misinformation on the web. PLENTY of babies spent time in hospital with jaundice prior to HepB vaccine being given to newborns. I think it’s sad that you blame yourself for the jaundice when likely it would have happened anyway. Good for you though for not refusing the Vit K!

    • Happy Sheep

      How is writing about a preventable tragedy sol that other parents are actually informed about the risks of refusing vitamin K scare mongering? How much vitamin K is in breastmilk? If you are so educated, you should be able to explain these things.
      Coming here and saying “nyah nyah I’m not gonna do it just to show you I can” is immature and silly and indicates that you think “research” is using Google.

    • Dr Kitty

      Right, and how does the immune system prevent HDN?

      • Amber B

        If you as a mother have high levels of vitamin k (from taking alfalfa supplements, eating lots of greens, etc), you and your child have MUCH lower risk of hemhorrage.

    • matt

      DONT BE SO FREAKIN IGNORANT BEN!!! We’re not out to get you or people who think just like you. Man, this is in place to prevent needless tragedies just like this. No one is getting paid. The author has emotion in the article because an infant died tragically due to the mindset you have – and it was totally preventable. I’ll do a little judging here and call you a thoughtless conspiracy theorist. See, jumping to conclusions without facts isn’t so cool.

  • aspiringOBGYN

    http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/skip-that-newborn-vitamin-k-shot/, this article seems factual to me, can you also refute claims made in it’s articles?

    • Amy Tuteur, MD

      Hint: home economists are not reliable sources for medical information.

    • Kerlyssa

      The only cite is a 22 year old newsletter that claims one in 500 (since the k shot is standard practice) children have leukemia. Go talk to an oncologist and get back to us.

      • The Computer Ate My Nym

        The incidence of leukemia in newborns isn’t even close to 1 in 500. According to SEER, the incidence of ALL and AML in babies age <1 year is about 2-3/100,000.

    • Dr Kitty

      Can you find another up to date, appropriate academic source that supports it?

      “Seems factual to me” isn’t good enough.

    • The Computer Ate My Nym

      Vitamin K is given to newborns IM not IV so the scare language about IV infusion is completely irrelevant.

  • GuestK

    According to my pediatric pharmacotherapy textbook, hemorrhagic disease of the newborn “affects up to 1 in 1000 neonates and carries 5-30% mortality, if untreated. The condition may be more common in breastfed infants” citing “low concentrations of vitamin K in breast milk”. It also notes “Vitamin K does not cross the placental wall, resulting in low stores in the newborn infant”.

    • Cassandra Sorensen Trujillo

      THANK YOU! This is the exact reason why simply eating a diet in vitamin K while pregnant may not be sufficient.

  • Mid

    you seem like a very angry person. I am disappointed that your attitude comes across as overly judgemental, arrogant and does little to support, educate and engage people in making well informed appropriate decisions about their health and their bodies. As a registered nurse and midwife, homebirthed mother of three, breastfeeding advocate, In making decisions about how to raise my children I read widely, asked advice from a range of professionals, some being medical doctors some being highly trained, skilled midwives. How about I print some of the screw ups that obs and gynes make everyday. I work in a major high risk obstetric setting, I see the screw ups, particularly new doctors make with the lives of both mother and baby. Drug errors, bad calls, lack of knowledge with a big ego is a dangerous thing, as is a bad attitude. I won’t be reading another of your dreadful blogs. You are a very upsetting person.

    • The Bofa on the Sofa

      Well, that is easier than actually refuting her arguments, I guess.

    • Amy Tuteur, MD

      Did you happen to notice that a baby is dead? It seems like you couldn’t care less.

    • Bombshellrisa

      Your concern is noted

  • Katie Peraudeau

    Amy, your arrogance and lack of empathy is the reason people distrust medical professionals. Being a good physician is not just about knowledge or numbers but about your ability to connect with people and engage them to a level of trust that they will take your advice. It is counter productive to belittle and berate people that are simply trying to think critically and make purposeful decisions related to their children’s care rather than just swallow whatever health professionals recommend. Let’s not forget that this level of distrust and questioning is not unfounded. Modern medicine has made its fair share of mistakes. There are many practices that were once accepted by professionals that would never be used today and therefore, some that will be eliminated in the future. Your style of medicine is not infallible either. Perhaps you should use some of your more objective knowledge to assist people in decision making rather than judging them.

    • The Bofa on the Sofa

      Thank you for your concern.

  • Xia

    http://thebabybond.com/VitaminKinjectORnot.html

    This is an interesting read, and a good addition to tamper with this skepticalOB article.

    Apparently, uncontrolled ^ levels of Vitamin K may cause increased chance of leukaemia for the child.

    Though, I doubt the parent(s) in this article knew about the risks anyway; they simply could not be bothered with their newborn (to-be).

    • Amy Tuteur, MD

      It’s not an interesting read: it’s made up.

      Who would take the advice of a chiropractor over a hematologist when it comes to blood clotting. Only gullible lay people.

      • grace

        lol

    • Captain Obvious

      “”The dispute originated from the publication of two retrospective studies in the early 1990s, in which a possible association between vitamin K injections in neonates and the development of childhood leukaemia and other forms of cancer was suspected23,24. This alarming suspicion was, however, confuted by two large retrospective studies in the USA and Sweden, which failed to find any evidence of a relationship between childhood cancers and vitamin K injections at birth25,26. A further pooled analysis of six case-control studies, including 2,431 children diagnosed with childhood cancer and 6,338 cancer-free children, also confirmed the lack on any epidemiological association between vitamin K injections in neonates and an increased risk of leukaemia”"

  • Dr Kitty

    Cite?

    Give me the evidence that convinced you, personally, that neonatal vitamin K was a bad idea. As a biochemist you would, of course, have been convinced by scientific evidence, rather than anecdote.

    So, show me the data you found convincing.
    Maybe I will to.

  • Sullivan ThePoop

    My immune system is really strong and has always been. I hardly ever get sick, but I have a single antibody autoimmune disorder that causes a mild graves like disease, autoimmune gum disease, and autoimmune high blood pressure. They have tried to give me immune suppressants for both my high blood pressure and gum disease. Unfortunately my immune system is so strong that when they try to suppress my adaptive immune system my innate immune system becomes over active and they have no idea why. So, the only solution they have is repeat gum transplants and hope my blood pressure doesn’t cause any problems.

  • Sullivan ThePoop

    The antibodies passed in breast milk are IgA. Most vaccines induce a reaction that produces IgG antibodies. So, if you wanted to get a vaccination to protect your infant it would be better to get it while pregnant when you pass IgG antibodies through the placenta. I do not know if you can get Hep B then or not.

  • Jeremy Rivera

    The objection to the Hep B vaccine isn’t based off ignorance that they might not encounter it eventually in life. That’s a fallacious and insulting argument. (as are most of your “medical” opinions, sorry I had to address your complete lack of objectivity as a medical professional. I’m sure your response will be nothing but snark and condesension, for disagreeing with you but someone needs to counter you.)
    The REAL argument is that a newborn under even the most feeble of parenting is NOT going to be doing drugs, or sharing needles or be introduced to the Hep B virus. There’s no rational reason then to add further burden to an infant who is very much in need of all the developmental resources available just to survive and thrive instead of forcing a brand new immune system to process anti-bodies for a disease it will not be encountering.

    • Amy Tuteur, MD

      Sure that’s the “real” argument for people who know nothing about the epidemiology of Hep B and nothing about the immune system.

      How profoundly wrong do anti-vax nuts have to be before you recognize that you have no idea what you are talking about? In the 200 year history of the anti-vax movment, they’ve been correct about NOTHING, not one single thing. But I guess batting zero doesn’t faze people who think they know more than immunologists, virologists and epidemiologists.

    • Sullivan ThePoop

      And you think that is a more intelligent reason to object? It isn’t. There is a rational reason to give Hep B vaccines to newborns. Hep B is an infection that is usually cleared if you contract it as a healthy adult. Children cannot clear it and it becomes a chronic infection because the liver has unique immune responses that cause infections that are not cleared quickly to become chronic. So, almost all people who have chronic Hep B contracted it as children long before they would have been having sex or doing any drugs. When Hep B vaccine was first introduced they gave it to older children and though it did reduce the incidence of chronic Hep B infections it was not a great enough reduction. So, they started giving it at birth and it has greatly reduced chronic Hep B infections. If those last couple of sentences are not enough rational for you, I don’t know what to say.

    • anonymous

      There are plenty of ways for someone to be exposed to Hep B. From wikipedia:

      “Transmission of hepatitis B virus results from exposure to infectious blood or body fluids containing blood. Possible forms of transmission include sexual contact,[46] blood transfusions and transfusion with other human blood products,[47] re-use of contaminated needles and syringes,[48] and vertical transmission from mother to child (MTCT) during childbirth. Without intervention, a mother who is positive for HBsAg confers a 20% risk of passing the infection to her offspring at the time of birth. This risk is as high as 90% if the mother is also positive for HBeAg. HBV can be transmitted between family members within households, possibly by contact of nonintact skin or mucous membrane with secretions or saliva containing HBV.[49] However, at least 30% of reported hepatitis B among adults cannot be associated with an identifiable risk factor.[50] And Shi et al. showed that breastfeeding after proper immunoprophylaxis did not contribute to MTCT of HBV.”

      It’s given as prophalaxis. If you ever see a young child suffering from chronic HBV you know that even minuscule transmission events are too large, especially when the child is going to have to deal with it for the rest of their lives..

    • The Engineer

      For the love of god never have a child then.

  • Jason Lockwood

    Please please please differentiate between lay midwives and Certified midwife nurse practitioners. I was made aware of this ridiculous and harmful trend in vitamin k refusal by my wife, CNM/NP.

    You can’t even fairly lump all home birth advocates together. We selected our home birth midwives (Both UCSF Med Center graduates) partly based on their ‘high transfer rate’ because my wife had seen so many bad out comes and unnecessary emergencies on the L and D ward where she works. We knew they were risk adverse and would go to the hospital at the first sign of any risk, which in our case, is what wound up happening with the birth of our son.

    I say this same thing to the home birth people who try to demonize hospital births. They sound ridiculous in their generalizations, and lump a bunch of disparate beliefs and practices together inappropriately, just like you do here.

    Which is a shame because it casts a shadow of doubt on the rest of the very real and factual information in the article.

    But other than that, thanks for sharing factual information on the subject.

  • blusafe

    Human breast milk is tainted by industrial waste…by-products created as a result of making things like vaccines. Even if the vaccine components themselves do not pollute, what about the packaging, plastic syringes, needles, bio-hazard waste boxes, and hospital incinerators? What about the “impurities”? Where do they end up? The argument that they go safely to an untouched waste disposal area is false. False unless you are seriously considering that mothers purposely ingest these nasty chemicals that end up in milk. Get your causality in a straight line.

    • Amy Tuteur, MD

      As a result of making things like vaccines? Really? Care to offer any proof or do you expect people to believe the stuff that you make up?

  • http://www.facebook.com/kayla.fields Kayla Svedin

    While this story is indeed tragic, tragedy cannot be avoided in every case. With HDNB, the risk is so so minuscule, and there are always risks to any medication. Parents should be well informed and responsible in making decisions for their families.

    According to http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2798607/ the actual risk of HDNB is 5 to 7 babies out of 100,000 who didn’t get the shot.That makes the actual percentages 0.005% to 0.007%. And of those 0.005-7% only 33%, or 0.00335%, will suffer severe disability or death. In other words, 3.35 infants out of 100,000 live births that are not getting a Vit K shot will suffer disability or death from hemorrhagic disease. Just some perspective in the numbers.

    There are things that make HDNB more of a risk, such as a cesarean delivery, and operative delivery using forceps or suction, hemorrhagic disease of one of the parents, preterm birth, and very low birth weight. All of these factors and actual risk percentages should be taken in to account.

    For a child whose parents have no histories of hemorrhagic disease, whose mother has a natural, non-operative, term birth, and had adequate vitamin K levels during pregnancy and breastfeeding, not getting the shot doesn’t put them at any significant risk.

    For a different numbers perspective, 1 out of 8 women, or 12.5% will be diagnosed with breast cancer at some point in their life (http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/detection/probability-breast-cancer). However, we don’t take prophylactic measures to remove every baby girl’s breast buds since the risk of getting cancer is so statistically high. The risk of HDNB is so astronomically low, to inject the newborn population en masse without distinction is ridiculous.

    There are risks and side effects with the shot as well. http://web.archive.org/web/20070213093306/http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/SAFETY/2003/03Feb_PI/AquaMEPHYTON_PI.pdf

    • Jeremy Rivera

      Thank you for the detailed information, and sources. Instead of fear mongering you’ve provided rational, reasonable information in the hands of people who may need it.

      • Elizabeth A

        Actually, she’s not bothered to do at least half of the relevant math. “Rational”, sure. “Reasonable”? Can’t tell, because it’s incomplete.

    • LauraN.

      Wow, are you for real? Just because you make a statistic look small by turning it into a decimal doesn’t mean that there aren’t dead and disabled children because of some crunchaloon parent’s irrational phobia. And yes it IS irrational if you actually bothered to look at the risks you linked to but clearly didn’t read.

      You lie about not “any significant risk.” You just made that up, as evidenced by the fact that you say adequate vitamin K levels during breastfeeding when EVERY source will list breastfeeding as a risk factor for hemorrhagic disease of the newborn regardless of maternal health.

      Morons, such as yourself, love to throw out ridiculous analogies, but yours is one of the most ridiculous I’ve seen. Vitamin K deficient bleeding prophylaxis: a simple shot that prevents a potentially fatal condition in a newborn who has no means of communicating what’s wrong with him with an amazingly low risk of side effects (none of which are comparable to death/disability from Vit. K deficient bleeding). Breast cancer prophylaxis: Surgery with significant risks like infection on a tiny body for a disease she couldn’t reasonably be expected to develop until older age when she can advocate for herself which robs her of the ability to feed any children she might bear… yeah, that’s TOTALLY comparable. Please don’t breed.

    • Elizabeth A

      Comments:

      - There are about 4 million babies born in the U.S. each year, so 3.35 infants per hundred thousand is 1,340 cases of infant death or disability each year. I feel pretty good about preventing 1,340 terrible tragedies annually. I am not moved by arguments that come up with only a small number of terrible tragedies per (population) and declare that this is so few that they don’t matter. Wait, that’s a lie. I am moved. It makes me incredibly angry.

      - You’ve crunched the numbers on how often hemorrhagic disease of the newborn occurs, but not on how often serious side effects of the Vitamin K shot for newborns occur. You’ve provided Merck’s packaging insert for the shot, which warns about the possibility of severe reactions to intravenous administration of AquaMephyton, but the insert doesn’t say how often those reactions occur. There is a very real possibility that you’ve decided, in the absence of checkable arithmetic, to take a 3.35/100,000 chance of death or disability due to HDN instead of a 1 in a million or more chance of potentially treatable adverse reaction to AquaMephyton.

      - Even if the numbers were there, babies don’t get IV AquaMephyton (which is the method associated with risk of severe reaction). The recommended routes of administration for HDN prophylaxis in the newborn are intramuscular or oral.

      - The risk of breast cancer you cite is over a lifetime. By contrast, HDN is a risk of the first three months of life. Comparing lifetime risks with the risks of early infancy is ridiculous. There are lots of good reasons against performing an amputation on an infant to prevent a condition that would, at the earliest, arise in twenty years. If one in 8 babies developed a condition requiring cancer treatment in their first 13 weeks, I very much hope we’d be doing something about it at birth.

    • Captain Obvious

      “These omissions are surprising and regrettable since clinically significant unexpected bleeding occurs in 2.5 to 17.0 per thousand newborns not given vitamin K prophylactically (1) in the gastrointestinal or urinary tract, the umbilical stump and intracranially. Late VKDB is often manifesting as sudden central nervous system hemorrhage, and ranges from 4.4 to 7.2 per 100,000 births (1, 3). This may be an under reporting as non traumatic intracranial hemorrhage is a common cause of death in neonates and my not be attributed to late VKDB especially in developing and transition countries.”

      “A study from Vietnam reports an estimated incidence of late onset vitamin K deficiency bleeding in infants who received no prophylaxis was 116 per 100,000 births (142 and 81 in rural and urban areas respectively) with mortality of 9% (6). Late HDN presents especially among low birth with exclusively breast fed infants, often with intracranial hemorrhages without other signs of bleeding. Reports from Turkey of late HDN indicate this is a widespread problem (7-9). In India where routine vitamin K prophylaxis is not practiced on hospital reports on 42 cases of late HDN with intracranial hemorrhage over a four year period (10).”

      http://archives.who.int/eml/expcom/expcom16/COMMENTS/VitK.pdf

  • Gillian Rodgers

    The Factor V Leiden mutation is not a contraindication for Vitamin K shots. FVL is the most common inherited cause of hypercoagulability in people of Western European descent. It affects about 5% of Caucasians in the US. It is not standard procedure to screen for FVL in newborns prior to getting the shot, even for those with parents who know they have the mutation.

    I have one copy, too. I found out about it when I was 23, thankfully before I ever had any kind of a clotting event or pregnancy loss (although I have since miscarried twice, likely for unrelated reasons.) My pediatrician knows I have it, and hasn’t seen any reason to even bother testing my daughter for it, because at her age (3), she is still at an exceptionally low risk for hypercoagulation, even if she were homozygous. My husband, also of Western European descent, has not been tested.

    Factor V Leiden also exhibits incomplete dominance in heterozygotes. That is, heterozygotes like you and I have a 4 to 7-fold increased clotting risk over our entire lifetime compared to someone without a copy of FVL. The risk is still very low. This is in contrast to some one with two copies of the FVL mutation who has a 70 to 100-fold increased risk.

    PT testing prior to administration of Vitamin K shots is neither reasonable nor evidence-based. For one: It’s a vitamin. By definition, a vitamin is a chemical that is essential for life that is not synthesized by the body. For two: The FVL mutation is extremely common. Vitamin K shots have been routinely administered to ALL infants for the last 50 years in developed countries. If the Vitamin K shots were causing clotting events in infants with the FVL mutation, we would see a LOT of newborns, in the US and Western Europe especially, having clots, and the standard of care would be to at least screen all neonates for activated Protein C resistance prior to administering Vitamin K, and would more likely involve screening (aPC resistance) if not FVL PCR testing, of the mothers early in pregnancy (probably in the same course of bloodwork where they determine your blood type, and whether or not you are immune to toxoplasmosis or rubella.) As it is, most adults with FVL are completely unaware of it until they have a clotting event (or suffer repetitive miscarriages).

    For three: Factor V Leiden causes resistance to Protein C, which is Vitamin K-dependent, and acts as an anticoagulant. Those of us with an elevated clotting risk due to resistance to a Vitamin K-dependent chemical can only benefit from having the proper amount of Vitamin K.

    The risk of the Vitamin K shot is extremely low, even for people with the Factor V Leiden mutation. But more importantly, the risks associated with getting the shot are amazingly lower than the risks associated with NOT getting the shot. It is also easier and faster to diagnose and treat a blood clot, even in an infant, than it is to diagnose and treat an inappropriate bleed like in this article.

    Spoiling for a fight with the hospital over an unnecessary test (which requires time, resources and personnel which could all be devoted to people who actually *need* them) does not make you seem well-informed or a subscriber to evidence, and it just puts you in an unnecessarily adversarial position with people who are trying to help you and your baby.

  • lovingfather

    Sorry to hear about an infants death, it is a tremendous tragedy and my deepest sympathy. Has anyone looked at the composition of the vitamin k? It is a fake/synthetic form (not a true vitamin) and contains propylene glycol (additive in antifreeze in cars) which is NEVER explained to the parent. Proof that it works is like trying to tell someone that a watermelon is blue inside before you cut the skin (prove me wrong); people have been born for thousands of years without; we are still here aren’t we? Physicians will say “you understand the risks if you don’t let you baby have the shot?” Yes there has been deaths; but what about the side effects that they have not discovered yet by giving a person a whole life of illness or complications to arrive later in life. Through LIES and FEAR people are pressured to give in. Fear drives a person to death, Faith leads a person to hope.

    My wife and I just had a beautiful baby girl. It was a very long birth and we refused the vitamin k, and all vaccines. We, as all parents do, have fears and hope for the best for our child, but we chose to fight that fear and enjoy every moment with her. She is still very heathy. (immune system gets stronger if you allow the body to naturally fight) The mother’s early breast milk (colostrum) has all the infant needs.
    please do some research, look up definitions. God made everything in perfect design!

    • anonymous

      Yeah, propylene glycol is in antifreeze, it’s also in a lot of topical drugs, and anything that isn’t water soluble. The FDA considers it GRAS “Generally Recognized As Safe” for food. It’s a necessity to bind it to the injection. Who cares about the composition of the vitamin K? It is also found in leafy vegetables since plants synthesize it. The injection is just more concentrated.

      Proof that it works is the reduction of babies dying from bleeding. You could use your argument about polio shots as well couldn’t you?

      • Bombshellrisa

        He could also extend the argument and refuse to let his child have cherries or apricots (or apples), aren’t pits of those sources of arsenic and cyanide?

    • GiddyUpGo123

      Where to begin? Hey did you know that breastmilk contains benzodiazepine-like substances? That’s the same chemical found in horse sedatives! Oh the horror! And canola oil, that cooking oil you once thought was so harmless? It is the same substance used in many pesticides!

      Use some logical thinking for just a second … just because a particular substance is used to produce a hazardous chemical does not mean that that substance itself must be toxic. Jeez, water is used in many of our cleaning products! I guess that means we should avoid water.

      And I just love, love, love the old “we survived for thousands of years without (technological advance of choice) so we must not need it!” Yes! The human species as a whole also survived predator attacks until we figured out how to build fires (yeah I stole that from Dr. Amy’s recent post, sorry). Guess what, nature doesn’t need to have 100% of all individual members of a species survive in order for the species itself to survive. It really just needs a very small percentage of that. So nature is perfectly happy to kill off 1 in several thousand newborns with a vitamin K deficiency, because one in several thousand newborns is meaningless to the whole species-survival agenda.

      Personally, I don’t give a crap about nature, I care about those 1 in several thousand moms and dads who would have otherwise had to watch their brand new baby die because of a problem that can be completely and safely prevented.

      God did not make everything in perfect design. If he did, no mother would ever have to lose a child to some stupid random disease like leukemia, SIDS or hemmorigic disease of the newborn.

    • Dr Kitty

      Oh dear. There is so much wrong with your post…
      I have faith that G-d gave us the intelligence and the will to seek solutions for problems like HDN.
      I don’t fear HDN, because I know that there is a safe option to prevent it.

      >99% of babies in the developing world get Vit K, and have done for many years. Show me real evidence that the population outcomes are worse with Vit K than without Vit K.

      Just out of interest, if your child developed Type 1 diabetes and needed insulin, would you want her to be treated with:
      1) human insulin made from cadaveric pancreas tissue?
      2) porcine insulin made from pig pancreas tissue?
      3) human insulin made by bacteria using recombinant DNA technology, possibly with additional amino acids not found in nature to change the timing of the effect.

      If you can come up with a coherent argument against option 3, I might be more inclined to listen to your nonsense about “fake” vitamins.

    • Bombshellrisa

      “we chose to fight that fear and enjoy every moment with her”
      Otherwise known as burying your head in the sand.

    • Jill

      God also made cancer. But we cut that out of the human body when it occurs and guess what, it prolongs life…

  • lovingfather

    Sorry to hear about an infants death, it is a tremendous tragedy and my deepest sympathy. Has anyone looked at the composition of the vitamin k? It is a fake/synthetic form (not a true vitamin) and contains propylene glycol (additive in antifreeze in cars) which is NEVER explained to the parent. Proof that it works is like trying to tell someone that a watermelon is blue inside before you cut the skin (prove me wrong); people have been born for thousands of years without; we are still here aren’t we? Physicians will say “you understand the risks if you don’t let you baby have the shot?” Yes there has been deaths; but what about the side effects that they have not discovered yet by giving a person a whole life of illness or complications to arrive later in life. Through LIES and FEAR people are pressured to give in. Fear drives a person to death, Faith leads a person to hope.

    My wife and I just had a beautiful baby girl. It was a very long birth and we refused the vitamin k, and all vaccines. We, as all parents do, have fears and hope for the best for our child, but we chose to fight that fear and enjoy every moment with her. She is still very heathy. (immune system gets stronger if you allow the body to naturally fight) The mother’s early breast milk (colostrum) has all the infant needs.
    please do some research, look up definitions between natural and man made. God made everything in perfect design!

    • The Bofa on the Sofa

      Has anyone looked at the composition of the vitamin k?

      I have. What of it?

      It is a fake/synthetic form (not a true vitamin)

      Indeed, it is not a true “vitamin,” because it doesn’t contain an amine. “True” vitamins are amine based, of course (hence the name, “vital amine” = vitamin for short)

      Oh, that’s not what you meant? Hint: synthetic does not equal fake. (I don’t even like using the phrase “they are chemically the same” because, given that they are the same molecule, that means they are the same thing. That’s what it means). What is vitamin K if not the substance with the particular structure?

      and contains propylene glycol (additive in antifreeze in cars)

      It’s also an additive in a lot of other things, too, including ice cream and baked goods. And?

      Yes, anti-freeze is poison, but that is because of the ethylene glycol, not the propylene glycol. Did whatever dishonest anti-vax site you are parroting tell you that much? (for pete’s sake, it’s on wikipedia, so it’s not like it’s hard to find)

      If you love your daughter, you should do things that are known to help her. Vaccination is one of the most effective things you can do to protect your kids from illness. Do it.

    • Jen

      BOFA already provided you with accurate information about the composition of the Vitamin K shot. I’m glad to hear that your daughter is healthy. However, I think it is you who needs to do some research to understand the risks of refusing the vitamin K shot for your daughter. Breast milk does not provide adequate Vitamin K to a newborn who has underlying liver disease. In fact, breastfed babies who have underlying cholestatic liver disease are at especially high risk for a late VKDB. It is often true that cholestatic liver disease is diagnosed several weeks after birth. Some of these babies are diagnosed with liver disease during their autopsy, after a VKBD.

      http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/121/4/e857.full.pdf

      My son looked no different from any other completely healthy newborn. He had an uneventful birth, following a normal pregnancy. He was just like any other baby. At 6 weeks of age, he began to look mildly jaundiced. After multiple visits to his pediatrician, he was finally diagnosed with biliary atresia at 9 weeks of age. He had a liver transplant this past June and is now an energetic 4-year-old boy. Thankfully, he had his vitamin K injection at birth.

    • The Computer Ate My Nym

      people have been born for thousands of years without; we are still here aren’t we?

      Well, some of us are. This baby, obviously, isn’t and any babies who die because you fearmonger their parents out of taking this simple prophylactic and they bleed to death won’t be either.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kathleen.neely Kathleen Elizabeth Neely

    C is for Chesus and K is for Kabala and country type Christian people dont like that stuff LOL

  • http://www.facebook.com/kathleen.neely Kathleen Elizabeth Neely

    it kills me to see my child get a shot or suffer in any way.. When they cry, I cry..

    • Gillian Rodgers

      You must cry an awful lot.

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