Oops! Dr. Bob Sears unwittingly acknowledges that vaccine preventable diseases pose a deadly threat to unvaccinated children

Put your foot in it

They say that a gaffe is when a politician accidentally tells the truth.

If that’s the case then anti-vax charlatan Dr. Bob Sears has committed the ultimate anti-vax gaffe. He unwittingly acknowledged that unvaccinated children are exquisitely vulnerable to vaccine preventable diseases.

Dr Bob shedding

Join me in Mission Viejo tomorrow night for a town hall meeting on SB 277. There will be several speakers. I will discuss navigating and circumnavigating the current language of the bill and what it means for parents and kids now and in the future. 7 to 9 pm…

Note: no recently-vaccinated kids allowed. We wish to take precautions against viral shedding. (my emphasis)

What does Dr. Sears mean by vaccine shedding? He’s apparently referring to a theory, popular among anti-vax advocates, that unvaccinated children can acquire vaccine preventable disease from vaccinated children. How? According to the “theory,” the virus in live attenuated vaccines can survive to infect an unvaccinated child who is exposed to it.

Inadvertently, Dr. Sears has acknowledged not merely that vaccine preventable disease pose a deadly threat to unvaccinated children, but that unvaccinated children are especially sensitive to that threat.

We fight off disease by making antibodies to the bacteria or virus that causes the disease. We’re not born with those antibodies, though. We make them in response to a threat. For example, we are not born with antibodies to the chickenpox (varicella) virus. When exposed to the varicella virus, though, we can learn to make antibodies to it. It takes time, but gradually we can produce enough antibodies to fend off the disease.

Unfortunately, we don’t always get the time we need. We can make antibodies to smallpox, for example, but many individuals are overwhelmed and killed by the virus long before they could make enough antibodies to fend it off. Imagine, though, if you could learn to make the protective antibodies without actually getting sick. That’s the theory behind vaccines.

In order to make antibodies to a virus (or bacterium) the body needs to “see” the virus. In other words, it needs to have direct exposure to the virus, but that virus doesn’t have to be functional, and it doesn’t even have to be whole. A virus can be inactivated (live attenuated) or killed and still produce an immune response. It can also be broken down into its constituent parts and the parts can produce an immune response. Any future exposure to the live virus (though contact with others who have the disease) will be met with rapid and massive production of antibody, preventing the individual from getting sick at all. A vaccine is merely an inactivated or dead form of the virus, letting you learn to make antibody without getting sick in the process.

How many children have you known that have acquired a vaccine preventable disease through shedding from a vaccinated child?

Zero, right?

To the extent that vaccine shedding of live attenuated virus poses any threat, it threatens children who are immuno-compromised. Immune competent children make antibodies and don’t get the disease at all. That’s the whole point of the vaccine.

So when Dr. Sears bans recently vaccinated children from his meetings (as if their parents would have any interest in listening to his nonsense), it’s because he believes that not only do live viruses pose a deadly threat to unvaccinated children, but even inactivated viruses pose a threat to them. They aren’t protected by breastfeeding, or healthy eating, or vitamins and supplements. The immune systems of unvaccinated children can’t even fight off inactivated viruses, let alone fully functioning viruses.

I commend Dr. Sears for taking steps to protect his followers. Their children aren’t merely vulnerable to deadly vaccine preventable diseases, he believes they are MORE vulnerable than average children.

But if Dr. Sears were honest with the parents who follow him, he would do more than protect them from inactivated viruses; he would protect them from fully functioning viruses.

How?

By vaccinating them of course.

  • Cyndi

    Slow clap.

  • Steph858

    Slightly OT: my son is 9 months old. I’m in the UK, and the NHS doesn’t vaccinate against varicella. From what little research I’ve done, this is because the NHS wants to use children as walking immunity boosters to prevent adults who grew up before the vaccine was developed from developing shingles. This seems like a kind of Ponzi scheme to me – this generation can’t be vaccinated because they need to contract Chickenpox to boost the previous generation’s immunity to shingles, and then the next generation will be left unvaccinated to boost this generation’s immunity to shingles, and so on in perpetuity. Am I missing something here? Would it be a good idea for me to get him vaccinated privately at my own cost, or would it be better to follow the NHS’s advice and leave him unvaccinated given that there is no herd immunity and the vaccine might not take properly, leaving him with enough immunity to prevent him from contracting Chickenpox as a child only for him to suffer from it as an adult? If vaccinating is still a good idea, despite the NHS’s advice not to, where would be a good place to go? I’ve done some googling, but the only clinics I can find which offer the Varicella vaccine are in London and I’m in Manchester; I’m also reluctant to just go to some random clinic which I found on Google but I’m not sure how to go about checking that a particular clinic is reputable beyond googling for reviews which may or may not have been posted by shills.

    • Young CC Prof

      The NHS claim about using children to boost immunity in adults is based on a hypothesis that appears to be wrong, we’ve been vaccinating against chickenpox for 25 years here in the USA and haven’t seen a jump in (age-adjusted) shingles incidence.

      The vaccine often does confer lifetime immunity, and by the time your son is an adult, your community may well have herd immunity.

      As for finding a clinic, honestly, getting a vaccine is the sort of thing that doesn’t really require a particularly good doctor. As long as it’s a legitimate place with proper licensing (I don’t know how private clinics in the UK are regulated, but you probably do) it should be fine. Or, you could ask your regular doctor.

      • Steph858

        Update: the pediatrician said that the reason the NHS doesn’t vaccinate against Chickenpox is because the immunity from the vaccine wears off over time whereas naturally acquired immunity lasts a lifetime. He said something along the lines of “The immunity given by the vaccine is good enough in the US where there’s herd immunity, but over here where there isn’t sod’s law will cause the immunity will wear off at the worst possible time.” I feel there’s something a bit iffy with that explanation, but I’ll defer to his expertise unless anyone here is prepared to rebuff him.

        • FormerPhysicist

          I’m not a doctor, but I know enough people that had chickenpox as kids and shingles as adults to disprove that statement.

        • Anj Fabian

          I don’t think there is ANY disease where the naturally acquired immunity lasts “a lifetime”.

          It might, provided you don’t live more than 40 or 50 years. All immunity fades over time. Some faster than others. This is why we check titers for MMR (to check for fading) but we go straight to the booster for TDaP (because we know that those immunities fade quickly).

          • Steph858

            I might have misunderstood him. I can’t remember his exact words, so it’s possible that he said “Natural immunity lasts longer” and I got it into my head that he said “Natural immunity lasts a lifetime”. I thought it was a short-term costs-savings thing too, but I didn’t demand to know why I couldn’t get him vaccinated on the NHS; I asked for advice on getting him vaccinated privately and made it clear that I didn’t mind covering the cost, but the advice was still “Don’t vaccinate.”

          • Anj Fabian

            Bah! Humbug!

            The CDC tracked chicken pox after the vaccine became common. The results are that the vaccine prevents most cases of CP. If a vaccinated child does contract a CP infection, it is much milder and the risk of complications greatly reduced.

            IOW, the vaccine does a good job of preventing infection and if it doesn’t outright prevent the infection, it minimizes the infection.

            I know you can only get the vaccine through special dispensation through the NHS or privately for a steep fee – but if you want to get it, I don’t see any reason not to.

          • FallsAngel

            Actually, measles vaccine has been around for 54 years now, and there’s no evidence of waning immunity from it.

        • Roadstergal

          I read the NHS’s statement on why they don’t vaccinate for chicken pox, and it looks a lot like short-term cost savings to me (like home birth?). Boosters are a thing, if necessary.

        • FallsAngel

          That is probably untrue. Chickenpox vaccine has been used in Japan since the late 1980s, and here in the US since 1995, and there’s no evidence of waning immunity. Of course, we won’t know for sure until the vaccine has been around 100 years or so.

      • toni

        http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vaccinations/Pages/chickenpox-vaccine-questions-answers.aspx#routineschedule it says shingles cases would increase significantly.. I wonder how they came to that conclusion

    • Steph858

      Update: the pediatrician said that the reason the NHS doesn’t vaccinate against Chickenpox is because the immunity from the vaccine wears off over time whereas naturally acquired immunity lasts a lifetime. I fell there’s something a bit iffy with that explanation, but I’ll defer to his expertise unless anyone here is prepared to rebuff him.

  • Lancelot Gobbo

    So Dr Sears believes that we can inject kids with millions or billions of virus particles using a live vaccine, and that won’t make the recipient ill, but might transfer to the precious child of an anti-vaccine parent and then cause a serious illness? If this is so, Dr Sears, you make me ashamed to belong to the same profession, as there’s no possible way anyone incapable of logical though like you should have been allowed in.

  • Gatita

    OT but I am so sad. What a terrible day for the U.S.

    • Mishimoo

      It is truly awful. Sending love to the families and church affected by this disgusting act of racism and terror.

    • Who?

      I’m so sorry-it’s all over our news as well. It’s unthinkable.

    • DelphiniumFalcon

      I just hope the news finally calls it what it is and realizes that the so called “War on Terror” needs to start on our home soil and not ignore the White perpetrators.

      Just hoping the families get even a small bit of comfort in this time. Just don’t know how you comfort someone after that, especially the survivors…

      • Roadstergal

        After all of the visibility that police brutality against Black people has gotten recently, to see how easily they apprehended a white mass-murderer and captured him alive – yet another one – it really hit home with a fecking hammer.

        • DelphiniumFalcon

          If they give this guy a “pass” because of mental illness like they do every other white guy, I might just start my own riot in whitey white bread town here.

          Excusing that kind of behavior because of mental illness is an insult to those who struggle every day with it and end up being the victims of violence far more often than the perpetrator and is a slap in the face to the survivors and the victims’ families. Given the rate of mental illness it’s likely one of the victims was mentally ill. They didnt go on a rampage. The families and survivors deserve justice for this heinous act of hate and throwing out the mental illness excuse doesn’t hold him accountable for actions he was aware he was committing.

          Mentally ill people are still capable of making decisions unless on the extreme end of delusional. This guy knew what he was doing. He planned it carefully, he left a survivor to spread his threat of terror. That isn’t a person that gets away with “Oh he’s mentally ill” and absolved of the consequences of his actions. And if he is that mentally ill then he needs to be kept away from society for the rest of his life. I say that as a mentally ill individual.

          • LibrarianSarah

            It’s kind of funny if you think about it. We used to look at mental illness and see evil (in the form of demon possession etc). Now we look at evil (in the form of this fucker) and see mental illness.

            Either way the mentally ill get fucked over…hard.

      • EmbraceYourInnerCrone

        They won’t,they never do. It’s always interesting the framing they do when the murderer is white. That cop in NJ a few days ago ran his ex wifes car off the road, hit a police cruiser, shot her to death (with their 7 yr old in the car) and none of the cops at the time or the ones who showed up as it was happening did anything to stop him. They arrested him and hugged him after he finally decided to put the gun down…

        http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/17/nj-cop-murders-ex-wife-in-front-of-daughter-and-fellow-officers-gets-hugs-while-being-arrested/

        • MaineJen

          I can hear the litany now: lone shooter…mentally unstable…just a kid…kept to himself. Not a word about the environment in which he grew up (note the Confederate battle flag flying *near* the State House of South Carolina. It used to be *on* the State House, but they moved it a little), his easy access to firearms of high caliber, etc. So frustrating.

          • DelphiniumFalcon

            Don’t forget blaming video games and the cries of take guns away from mentally ill people.

            I’m a mentally ill person. My gun safety is far better than most “sane” people I know. They shoot cats and prairie dogs for fun. I can barely point a -fake- gun at a person taking my picture for a display photoshoot because it goes against everything I know about gun safety.

            But nope, take my guns away because I have the mentally ill label and let the little white murdering innocent animals go on shooting.

            We are so messed up sometimes…

          • Roadstergal
        • sdsures

          “They arrested him and hugged him after he finally decided to put the gun down…”

          I can’t even.

        • sdsures

          “It’s always interesting the framing they do when the murderer is white.”

          Yes, and it’s infuriating.

    • demodocus

      It is indeed terrible. I feel so bad for the families and the survivors.

  • seasiren

    Thank you for letting me know! I and a few pro-vax friends shall be attending to get the scoop on the deceit being handed out. We work for the Los Angeles Unified School District and I think they might be happy to know how people might try and scam the system.

    “Navigating and circumnavigating the current language of the bill.” Yeah – you know that means “lie and cheat.”

    • Megan

      I was hoping someone would do this! Kudos!!

      • seasiren

        I can’t think I’m going to be the only one. SciBabe is in Anaheim (I think, it’s somewhere in OC) which is actually closer to Mission Viejo than I am, so hoping her or any of her local colleagues can pop in as well.

        • Megan

          Oh, I hope so! The more the merrier!

    • Roadstergal

      Kudos for your work!

      Man – I would want to have my measles titers checked before attending that get-together.

      • seasiren

        I’m good. I had an updated MMR and DTaP when I turned 30 two years ago. And I was also at Disney the day Patient Zero was there and didn’t get anything.

    • Dr. W

      Fight the stupid sister. Fight the stupid.

      • seasiren

        Don’t have enough hours in the day, but I’m trying to do my part.

    • Megan

      Perhaps you can also report him to the CA medical board. I’m sure they’d be interested in that kind of fraud.

      • seasiren

        I have before. They don’t give a frack. I’ve also contacted all the insurance providers he accepts and none will drop him because the state won’t do anything to him. But they are finally looking at Dr. Oz so hoping they will start looking at other quacks.

    • DelphiniumFalcon

      Please bring a hidden camera with you and post the spoils. Pleeeeaaase?

  • Bunny St. Marie

    It’s as if this author is completely unaware that people can contract disease *regardless* of vaccination status. Failure to seroconvert (vaccine failure) can account for up 5% of people who remain “unprotected.”

    Very disappointing article. Such a sad twisting and misrepresenting of facts.

    • MaineJen

      To which vaccine are you referring, with that 5% failure rate? If it’s the MMR, that’s what the second dose of vaccine is for. After that only 1-2% of people fail to seroconvert. Talk about misrepresenting facts…

    • PrimaryCareDoc

      We need specifics. You can’t just say vaccine failure in 5% of people, because it’s different for every vaccine. And failure to seroconvert is one of the reasons that herd immunity is so important- to protect those that either can’t receive vaccines for medical reasons, are too young to get them, or do not get immunity from vaccination.

      • Bunny St. Marie

        Vaccines such as the MMR have an estimated failure rate of between 1 and 5 percent, though you are correct, there are certainly vaccines which carry a much higher failure rate (flu vaccine) and for which the theory of “herd immunity” is simply not applicable. And thank you for conceding that it isn’t just “unvaxed” populations who carry risk, but also immunocompromised individuals and those who fail to seroconvert.

        P.S. Since Sears’ particular brand of sarcasm is obviously way over the head of fellow colleague Dr. Tuteur, someone might want to fill her in before she embarrasses herself further.

        • The Bofa on the Sofa

          Since Sears’ particular brand of sarcasm is obviously way over the head of fellow colleague Dr. Tuteur,

          Perhaps, it could be just that Dr Amy doesn’t understand dumbass babbling.

        • moto_librarian

          I don’t think he’s being sarcastic. I think he’s pandering to his base.

          But perhaps your comments are over my head.

        • Nick Sanders

          And what’s the “failure rate” of not vaccinating at all?

          • Megan

            Probably about the same as the failure rate of antivaxxer logic

        • Roadstergal

          “And thank you for conceding that it isn’t just “unvaxed” populations who carry risk, but also immunocompromised individuals and those who fail to seroconvert.”

          Conceding? That’s the whole dizam point of our support of SB277.

        • PrimaryCareDoc

          That was sarcarsm? He sucks at being sarcastic.

          • Roadstergal

            I read it as – his non-vaxxing clients are getting a lot of flak for creating dangerous clusters of disease susceptibility, thanks to Disneyland bringing this all to national attention. He’s subscribing to the ‘best defense is a good offense’ school. “No, THOSE people are the dangerous disease vectors!”

        • PrimaryCareDoc

          Oh, and I wasn’t “conceding” anything. You make it sound like the pro-vax community isn’t all in support of protecting those who can not vaccinate for medical reasons or for whom they are ineffective. It’s the anti-vax pro-disease community that seems to deny the importance of this.

        • Fallow

          If other people can’t understand your “sarcasm”, you’re the one who failed to deliver it properly. The audience is not at fault for someone’s incompetent sarcasm deployment.

    • Megan

      It’s as if this poster is completely unaware that people can die in car accidents *regardless* of seatbelt status. Failure of the seatbelt can account for up to 5% of people who remain “unprotected.”

      Very disappointing reasoning. Such a sad twisting and misrepresentation of logic.

      • Bunny St. Marie

        Thank you for your beautifully accurate representation of a false analogy. *applauds*

        • Megan

          How is it a false analogy? Please do explain.

          • Roadstergal

            Maybe because I’ve never seen a vaccine with the side effect profile of a seatbelt? 😛
            https://twitter.com/DocBastard/status/611235462464827393

          • Roadstergal

            I’ve never seen a vaccine cause thoracolumbar injuries.
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25887833
            “Two-point and 3P restraint use was associated with significantly higher rates of thoracolumbar injuries (67% and 62%, respectively) than the C/B (14%) and unrestrained (0%) groups (P<0.001)."

            (By selectively quoting – not noting that the unrestrained group had an 80% rate of cervical spine injuries – I made it look like unrestrained was far safer than carseat/booster/2P/3P. I could be a Carseat Freedom Campaigner!

            And a 1% failure to protect with vaccines? Look at these numbers and tell me a 1% failure rate wouldn't be deliriously lovely for car seats. Add to that – carseats don't have the nice feature that everyone around you using them makes you safer.)

          • Megan

            That’s true. And if everyone else wears their seatbelt it doesn’t protect me if I don’t wear mine. So I stand corrected. It’s not a perfect analogy. Vaccines are safer… :).

          • The Computer Ate My Nym

            Actually, I’ve at least heard it claimed that seatbelts help the driver maintain control of the vehicle so someone else’s seatbelt might protect you. But not as much as vaccines.

          • Sia

            Rear passenger buckled in won’t slam into your head and kill you?

          • Sia

            Yup.

            And it effects more than just you if you don’t buckle up.

            Someonenot wearing their seatbelt …. if they get in a car crash, they essentially becomes a loose heavy projectile

          • Gatita

            Only tangentially related but this reminds me that car crashes are the biggest cause of accidental deaths in children–but most of the children who are killed are unrestrained, no seatbelts or carseats. I’m guessing because carseats are expensive. Sad.

        • PrimaryCareDoc

          Boring parachuter is boring. Yawn.

        • Fallow

          I forgot there was a logical fallacy called “false analogy”. Oh, Jesus.

          You know, I sometimes enjoy spotting logical fallacies (although it’s debatable whether or not you spotted one in the first place). But citing people’s supposed logical fallacies in an internet argument, is kind of weak sauce. You end up sounding like a philosophy undergrad with the Logic 101 book clutched in your sweaty hand. Just desperately skimming that textbook, looking for a way you can use it to perform a form of sea-lioning on your opponent.

          Either that or you’re an internet douche.

          • DelphiniumFalcon

            Next on the internet arguing check list is accusing all arguments of being strawman.

            Do I need to sing the song again?

          • PrimaryCareDoc

            No, no. I think we all get accused of being pharma shills next. Then comes an accusation of “astroturfing.” Then we all get accused of being trolls and bullying, even though she wandering into this discussion of her own free will.

          • Roadstergal

            I thought we were all Dr Amy?

          • PrimaryCareDoc

            Right! I forgot about that one.

          • Sarah

            I’m Dr Amy, and so’s my wife.

          • DelphiniumFalcon

            I’m Spartacus!

          • Nick Sanders

            Actually, if she does here what she’s doing on Facebook, next up is the “freedumb” gambit.

          • MaineJen

            Then all Bunny has to do is mention the Microbiome in some capacity, and my bingo card will be full. 🙂

          • DelphiniumFalcon

            Ah, right. I forgot strawman are the battle cries of MRAs, not anti-vaxxers.

          • Who?

            Please sing the song again Delphinium Falcon, just for me!!

          • DelphiniumFalcon

            Just for you then!

            Do you want to build a strawman?
            Come on let’s go and Troll!
            I never see it ever stop,
            It’s all just slop.
            Come on let’s all dive in!
            The goal post keep on moving,
            Oh, now they’re there
            Without ever saying whyyyyy!
            Do you want to build a strawman?
            It doesn’t have to be just one, man!
            Go away asshole!

            This means war.

          • sdsures

            You KNOW I’ve started singing that, 😀

          • DelphiniumFalcon

            Bwahahahaha!

        • Sullivan ThePoop

          That was a perfectly good analogy. Although I am not surprised that you cannot recognize that either

    • The Bofa on the Sofa

      I am aware that vaccines do not always work, but I am trying to understand what that has to do with this article or what Sears said.

    • Nick Sanders

      And that has what to do with claims of shedding?

    • Box of Salt

      Hey, Bunny? Please vaccinate your children. As soon as possible.

      Thanks!

    • Sullivan ThePoop

      You do realize though that expected primary vaccine failure is added into the equation for the herd immunity threshold which makes your statement a complete twisting and misrepresentation of facts.

  • Amy M

    Also, keep the echo chamber closed—don’t let any vaccinators in because they might dissent and convince some of the anti-vaccine audience to convert.

    Also, I would’t be shocked if Sears’ own kids were vaccinated—he knows vaccines work, and his wife likely took all the kids to the doctor’s appts, so even if he were opposed to his children getting vaccinated, his wife might have nodded and smiled and got them the shots anyway.

  • KL

    So my daughter is going to preschool in the fall and on her application it had check boxes for vaccinated or unvaccinated. If your child is vaccinated you had to provide proof of vaccination. If your child is unvaccinated it stated that he/she may be asked to stay home in the event of “an outbreak in the community”. For simplicity let’s just talk about measles. My son will be 1 in November, so he won’t be vaccinated against measles until then. Would it be possible for my daughter to transmit the virus to him from some unvaccinated sick kid at preschool? Or is that too unlikely to worry about? It seems mean to keep my daughter away from an enriching experience over some remote fear but, honestly, having a sick kid sucks. I live in an area with tons of crunchy mommies.

    • The Computer Ate My Nym

      Low probability but not zero: your daughter may be a (rare) non-responder who could get the infection and pass it to your son. Or your son could be exposed you took him with you to pick her up. I think that’s the major risk, but would definitely ask a pediatrician to be sure.

      • Sarah

        The joys of having an under one during a measles outbreak.

  • Allie

    There is a simple answer to the why question here: follow the money. The Sears family practice is catering to a very specific audience.

    They consist mainly of the natural birth-breastfeeding-babywearing-attachment parenting-bedsharing-intactivism etc crowd. Being antivax is an integral part of that philosophy/ideology/movement (or whatever you want to call it). If Bob Sears took a pro-vax stance his target audience would simply run away.

    The majority of pro-vax parents do not self-identify as part of this movement and most find Sears’ views on things like infant feeding and nighttime parenting too extreme so they wouldn’t use his practice even if he’d do a 180° on the vaccine issue.

    Basically he’s stuck with the antivaxxers as his only real customer base.

    • Megan

      Yes and I’m sure that he makes more money than any of us pharma shills!

    • Liz Leyden

      Dr. Sears also doesn’t take insurance (except Tricare).

      • MaineJen

        Of course he doesn’t.

      • Nick Sanders

        He doesn’t take it, or they refuse to accept him on their plans?

      • Wombat

        Ewwwww, can we get him kicked off Tricare please? If anyone deserves non-nutty care it’s military families. And if the military deserves to decline to cover anything, it’s nutty care c:

        I hope there is no one seeing him who didn’t seek him out, but you never know.

  • The Computer Ate My Nym

    It’s pretty clear that Dr. Sears’ “no recently vaccinated kids” statement is an attempted “take that” to pediatricians who don’t allow unvaccinated children in their practice. He intended to say, “See! Vaccination can be dangerous to others too!” Unfortunately for him it backfired in a big way, demonstrating his lack of understanding of how shedding actually works as well as his implicit knowledge that unvaccinated children are, in fact, vulnerable to infection.

  • moto_librarian

    I want to see Drs. Sears and Gordon censured by the AAP and the AMA.

    • Megan

      Oh I would so love that!

    • MaineJen

      Yes. If they can speak out against Dr. Oz they can certainly speak out about this guy.

    • Sullivan ThePoop

      At least Dr. Gordon is a likable person. Still dangerous though

      • Gatita

        He helped kill Eliza jane Scovill. Fuck Jay Gordon.

    • CanDoc

      Yes. agree. Time for someone to speak to the dangerous views of the Sears family dynasty.

  • MaineJen

    In recent weeks I’ve found myself wondering, what could possibly be this man’s motivation? Why is he deliberately poking at vaccines and vaccinated people? He MUST be aware, as a medical doctor, of the benefits of vaccination. As another post pointed out, he has admitted as much in one of his books. (“Make sure all of your neighbors vaccinate, so you don’t have to!”)

    Can it really, really all come down to money? “Buy more of my books? Come to my clinic and I will make up some bullshit excuse for your child to get a medical exemption?” He’s gone so far down the rabbit hole, to admit that he knows he’s full of crap now would ruin him…

    Or can he possibly really believe his own BS? Can he possibly put any *real* stock in the concerns of anti-vaxxers?

    • Megan

      I have often wondered this too. I mean could be really be this stupid? I doubt it. My guess is it started out as a way to be popular and get patients/sell books and now is all about cognitive dissonance.

    • The Bofa on the Sofa

      His problem is that he has big shoes to fill. His father made a splash in his promotion of breastfeeding, so what was Son Bob going to do to top his dad?

      He’s a publicity hound, because that’s what he learned from his dad.

      • NoLongerCrunching

        So much for his mother’s attachment parenting creating a self-confident compassionate adult.

        • The Bofa on the Sofa

          Good point. One data point supporting the hypothesis that attachment parenting creates sleazeballs.

    • Sullivan ThePoop

      Money is his motivation. I read a Forbes article recently that showed that pediatricians that cater to vaccine hesitant parents make 30% more money than regular pediatricians.

      • MaineJen

        Oooooh my god that is so depressing.

      • MHAM

        Is there not some concern that accepting unvaccinated children in a practice could be a liability exposure, though? Is there any precedent? My pediatrician was telling me that among the many, many reasons that they refuse anti-vax parents at his practice is that, besides the moral obligation to protect vulnerable patients, he felt he might have some legal exposure if a young infant or immune-compromised child picked up a vaccine-preventable disease from another patient in his waiting room. I don’t know whether it would hold up in court, but I can certainly see a strong argument there.

        • Mattie

          They should have 2 waiting rooms, one for anti-vax kids, with no toys (infection risk) and posters over the walls about the dangers of VPDs and the receptionist in a Hazmat suit, just to get the message across =P or is that cruel?

          • Nick Sanders

            Seems like the hazmat suit would freak the kids out, and it’s not their fault their parents are morons.

          • Mattie

            I guess it could be a plastic/paper disposable suit not a full gas mask and everything hazmat lol unvaccinated children are a hazard after all

          • Nick Sanders

            I think one of those little paper face guards and some disposable gloves would suffice.

  • The Computer Ate My Nym

    “Navigating and circumnavigating”? Is it just me or did he admit there that he is going to discuss ways to subvert the bill’s clear intent to protect the public from vaccine preventable diseases?

    • Megan

      That was my take. No doubt he sees this as a way to get patients because he’ll falsify some reaction or reason for all of these kids to not get vaccinated and still attend school. But who cares if you’re endangering public health so long as you’re popular, right? He is a dangerous man…

  • Sue

    So much for their super-duper extra-strong uber-healthy boosted immune systems from all that kale and avoidance of chemicals. Oh, and natcheral immunity.

    • Sullivan ThePoop

      I know, if their children can be infected by attenuated viruses their immune systems are weak, not strong.

    • The Computer Ate My Nym

      But…but…kale and organics only help fight natural infections. They’re helpless before evil big pharma genetically altered vaccine type viruses.

  • Therese

    In Dr. Sears’ book he warns parents not to encourage anti-vaxxerism amongst other parents to ensure that their children can still enjoy the benefits of herd immunity. Don’t think this comment about leaving recently vaccinated children at home is really some kind of big gotcha moment compared to that.

    • Therese

      Oh, I see that point was brought up in the previous post! So never mind; I thought maybe you weren’t aware of it with how much emphasis you were putting on this comment about leaving the vaccinated at home.

    • KeeperOfTheBooks

      It’s a particularly disgusting point of view. I can vehemently disagree with but drum up a marginal amount of respect for parents who don’t vax and at least let other people know. Parents who think their kids are so special that they should be protected from both the diseases and the (virtually nonexistent, in reality) damage from the vaccines, at the cost (again, virtually nonexistent in reality) of everyone else’s kids? SERIOUSLY?! No. Patience. At. All. A friend of DH’s recently posted an article on her FB feed that pretty much said, “Sorry your kid has cancer and their immune system can’t handle VPDs, but that’s not my problem.” I about went thermonuclear.

  • guest

    And this also means that when we avoid contact with unvaccinated families, it’s for THEIR own good, not just our own.

    • Angharad

      Yeah, you’d think they’d be HAPPY to stay home from schools filled with virus-shedding recently vaccinated students. I know if I honestly believed that a location was full of people who could infect my daughter (or myself) with awful diseases, I wouldn’t need a law to tell me to stay away.
      Of course, that implies a level of self-awareness and non-hypocrisy to the anti-vax movement.

  • Who?

    I love love love the accompanying photo!

    • Cobalt

      I want to meet someone who comes up with these kinds of graphics for a living.

      • Who?

        I want to be the person who dreams up the paint names. I could totally do that job.

        • I want a pair of bedroom slippers like that!
          So much better than the donkey from “Shrek” that my granddaughter gave me.

  • Kesiana

    WTF?! That only applies TO THE POLIO VACCINE!!!

    (Okay, technically shedding can happen with the chicken pox vaccine, too, but the CDC reports only five cases of transmission after immunization among over FIFTY-FIVE MILLION doses of the varicella vaccine. At least according to pediatrics.about.com.)

    • Box of Salt

      Polio vaccine? Not even: it only applies to the OPV, not the IPV used in the United States (I = Inactivated).

      • Mer

        I knew what kesiana meant about it being polio that sheds, but you’re right to clarify because I only know that from reading the comments here. It’s remarkable how much I’ve learned here and how I take it for granted now!

    • demodocus

      If memory serves, rotovirus vaccine sheds for a few day so you have to be extra careful at diapering time and wash your hands after.

      • Sullivan ThePoop

        It is true that rotavirus sheds in feces for a few days, but it is only a problem for immune compromised people. You should always be careful and wash your hands after diapering.

        • demodocus

          Naturally.

      • Liz Leyden

        That’s why my daughter’s cardiologist recommended skipping the rotavirus vaccine for her and her brother, because it fell close to her scheduled surgery. We delayed her 6-month vaccines (not his) for the same reason. She is caught up on her vaccines, but neither of them has had the rotavirus vaccine.

    • Sullivan ThePoop

      Varicella only sheds if the vaccinated person actually has pox

  • just me

    I’d like for a legislative aide to infiltrate that meeting to see how he plans to get around the statute, so that the language can be tightened up to prevent his run-around

    • Sullivan ThePoop

      He is a doctor. He can give medical exemptions to any of his patients. I just hope if they find that some doctors are giving an abnormal number of medical exemptions something can be done about it

      • Megan

        I have no faith that anything would be done about it. The AAP won’t even stand up to him.

        • Squillo

          The only thing the AAP could do is strip his membership, which would have no real effect other than removing his right to put “FAAP” after his name. It’s the CA Medical Board that has the power to affect his practice.

    • Christopher Hickie

      It could also be useful for a complaint to the California Medical Board.

  • demodocus

    I saw on Facebook that vaccines are made with extra strength mutant viruses that are way harder for my special indigo child to overcome.

    • Azuran

      I saw on Facebook that vaccine shedding of those mutant viruses is what gives autism to unvaccinated children.

      • Megan

        Glad you’re “doing your research.” 😉

  • Cobalt

    I saw on Facebook recently that viral shedding is especially infectious after DTaP.

    Sounded totally legit.

    • Sullivan ThePoop

      Yeah, two inactivated toxins and some pieces of protein are going infect everyone.

    • Roadstergal

      Yeah, I got my booster recently, and you could just see the people falling ill in my wake as I walked to work.

      • DelphiniumFalcon

        So -you’re- the White Horse of the Apocalypse! How is that going, anyhow?

      • D/

        You’re Darth Gal!
        http://m.imgur.com/8dibveH

        ps- When I retire I want a herd of fainting goats and an umbrella 😉

        • Roadstergal

          *dying*

        • I want to come visit!

  • Trixie

    This is a wonderful graphic.

    • The Computer Ate My Nym

      Horrifying and yet wonderful.

    • MaineJen

      Agree. I think I giggled to myself for about 5 minutes until I could finally move on and read the post. 🙂

  • Ha!