The toilet bowl baby

Woman unclogs a stinky toilet with plunger

What could be more deeply spiritual, personally empowering and beautiful than being born head first into a fecally contaminated toilet?

toilet bowl baby

According to the mother’s Facebook post:

Ooommmmggggg!!

I dropped him in the toilet lol id like idk what to dooooo!!!!!!

I love him so much!! Still hasnt hit me yet!!

He’s the chillest baby every BTW!!

Ha, ha, ha, ha. She had a deliberately unassisted homebirth and dropped the baby on its head into the toilet. So funny! NOT.

Ha, ha, ha, ha. She had a deliberately unassisted homebirth and dropped the baby on its head into the toilet. So funny! NOT.

What could be better than that? Apparently having your partner video it instead of catching the baby (always thinking of bragging rights!) and then immediately posting it on Facebook to get kudos from the other narcissists for your stupid, immature stunt.

“I love him so much!!”

Just not so much that she would actually protect his health and life by giving birth in the hospital. Her birth experience is ever so much more important than a baby with a mouth full of feces.

Amazingly, 310 other selfish idiots thought that the post was so beautiful that they liked it.

But now these buffoons from the unassisted birth Facebook group are angry.

No, not that the baby was treated literally like shit. Be serious! They don’t care about that.

They’re angry that I posted it on The Skeptical OB Facebook page.

The comments are priceless!

Bren

Melissa

Madison

It was an accident?

No, it wasn’t. She chose to give birth on the toilet and her partner chose to record it instead of catching the baby.

I’m “judgemental”? Damn straight!

It’s beautiful? Only if you think the important part of birth is bragging to your friends regardless of what happens to the baby.

The parachuters proceeded to embarrass themselves by bleating the usual homebirth garbage …

Hannah Lee

… but were unable to back it up with any scientific evidence of any kind.

No problem!

Dietra

As Dietra explains, whether homebirth is safe or not “has nothing to do with facts.”

Sorry Dietra, but it has everything to do with facts.

It’s a FACT that homebirth increases the risk of perinatal death up to 800%.

It’s a FACT that there is no evidence that homebirth in the US is safe.

It’s a FACT that there is no evidence that unassisted birth is ever safe.

But, hey, what are facts compared to a mother’s right to risk her baby’s death for kudos from her Facebook friends? What are facts when compared to a mother’s right to drop her baby head first into a fecally contaminated toilet? What are facts compared to a mother’s desperate need to boost her fragile self esteem with a selfish, immature narcissistic stunt like homebirth?

It’s hardly surprisingly that in a world where dropping your baby onto its head in the toilet is considered “beautiful” facts make no difference at all.

  • Neil Barrett

    sure all waterbirths are effectively toilet bowl births, i know they quickly stopped the practice at my current hospital have infection controlled sampled the water. Most women defecate and micturate during labour- so that water is always faecally constaminated, and urine very common to have bacteruria in pregnancy so that poses a risk in the water too – as a paediatrician its indefensible to me.

  • The Computer Ate My Nym

    Only tangentially related, but wondering what you thought of this:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3272728/Faith-healing-couple-prison-killing-newborn.html

    • LeighW

      I love the “it’s God’s will” argument. God gave the mom shitty eyesight, yet she’s wearing glasses in her mugshot. Why didn’t she pray for her eyes to get better?

  • Amy Tuteur, MD

    No, no, no! I don’t want you to discuss me; I want you to focus on the fact that unassisted childbirth is an immature, narcissistic stunt that leads to preventable deaths of babies.

    • Chi

      But where’s the fun in that when attacking you for DARING to challenge their ideals is SOOOO much better???

      /sarcasm.

    • KarenJJ

      “Self-proclaimed “Dr.” Amy”? Someone needs to tell Boston University that they’re not handing out real medical degrees.

    • Fallow

      I don’t know why they think you’re the one who’s dying for attention. You’re not the one posting public, semi-nude pictures of yourself performing stunt births. Your posts are rarely about you, and when they are, they’re about topics like your love for your family. The majority of your posts are about the consequences of unsafe birth practices, not yourself.

      On the other hand, these women do nothing but talk about themselves and promote themselves, to the point that their babies are only props for their own egos.

    • RMY

      I really don’t get people who publicly share videos and information on a forum where comments are allowed, who then get upset by the comments they get. If you don’t want public feedback, post it to a private group not to the whole world. That’s what I do.

    • Anonymous

      Ah the old “Dr. Amy Tuteur doesn’t even have a license!” argument. Wow. I let my license lapse when I went into administration. It doesn’t mean that I don’t retain “Dr.” in front of my name. It just means I don’t see patients or prescribe medication. It doesn’t make you less aof a doctor.

      • DelphiniumFalcon

        It would appear according to the internets that once you let your license lapse then all those years of schooling fall right out your ears.

        Never mind that I can’t even wrap my head around how an unlicensed high school graduate is supposed to be on equal grounds to a medical professional in the first place.

  • anh

    OT, but can anyone post the study done about IV fluids during labor inflating a baby’s birth weight (and how they really don’t unless it’s more than 2500 ml or something similar)

  • KarenJJ

    One of the tests for whether you might believe odd cult-like things should be being able to explain them outside your “friends” – eg to your Grandma or a teacher form school or a police officer. Because if they look at you with “WTF?”, I think it might be time to reevaluate.

    • DelphiniumFalcon

      Well, shit. Looks like my mom’s side the family believes I belong to a cosplay cult.

      All hail the serger! For it is the harbinger of clean edges!

      • LeighW

        May your seams be straight and your stitches even!

        • Megan

          And thread tensions be balanced!

          • DelphiniumFalcon

            May the cosplay Gods, old and new, watch over all attempts to use plastics and foam.

            For armour crafting is dark and full of terrors.

          • demodocus

            And forget not to feed your dragons. They get bitey when they get peckish

  • Who?
    • Mishimoo

      I saw that tonight, it’s terrible! Those poor families!

  • The Computer Ate My Nym

    I’m a bit concerned that the “chillest baby ever(y)” is so chill because he’s getting septic and no one has recognized that yet. Or has head trauma. Hopefully it’s just his nature to be quiet, but I’m reminded of Wren recording the cute noise her son made, not realizing it was the sound of him struggling to breath.

    • LeighW

      And if he did end up wih health issues it would be because of all the haters not trusting birth enough, or some such bullshit

    • Allie P

      A lot of babies are chill right after birth.

  • Green Fish

    What I find confusing is that many of these women and their friends have “Infant Loss awareness” messages on their facebook pages.
    And still they defend a form of birthing (unassisted homebirth) that puts the child’s life unnecessarily at risk…

  • niteseer

    Years ago when I worked newborn nursery, and Mother Baby, there was a little boy who was born headfirst into the toilet at home. Mother was too frantic and upset to pull him out. The paramedics pulled him out and wrapped him up, and he was transported to us. Other than being very hypothermic, and needing a course of antibiotics, he did very well. Unfortunately, he was dubbed the Tidy Bowl Man. I hope that fame doesn’t follow him all his life.

  • yugaya

    Toilet microbiome aside, she did not have the baby checked for head trauma. That poor mite could have suffered birth injury but that hasn’t “hit her” at all apparently. 🙁

  • Zornorph

    Well, this gives a whole new meaning to ‘birthy smells’

  • Amy

    How dare you share a private moment that they RECORDED and POSTED ON FACEBOOK. Don’t you know that Facebook is a private venue!

    • Mer

      LOL Facebook private!!!! that’s a good one!!

    • anon

      Nothing on the internet is ever private. Even if you join a closed or secret group or have your profile set to private, there’s every chance

      it could still get around. It doesn’t necessarily mean people should post stuff of others, but if you put it on the internet, there’s every chance it could get around. Don’t want it posted elsewhere / stolen / etc? Don’t post it on the internet.

      • Amy

        You know I was being sarcastic, right?

    • LizzieSt

      My German friends tend to be extremely protective of their information on Facebook, even to the point of using abbreviated versions of their names (though that’s not really allowed). I am beginning to see the wisdom of their ways. Perhaps the toilet bowl baby’s mother could take a few lessons from them.

      • The Bofa on the Sofa

        I know it’s “not allowed” but my facebook account does not have my name on it.

  • Blue Chocobo

    Now that she’s had her all natural toilet birth, is she going to lick the baby clean? It would be the most natural way…

  • Amazed

    It becomes weirder and weirder… This Izora lady is now claiming that the poor humiliated mom was just having a nervous laugh over her scare with people who “loved” her. Ha ha, so funny! The internetz is full of so much love!

    I guess my mom should have told everyone who REALLY loved her (and us), in the pre-int days, “OMG, I was coming home and I saw my toddler hanging down from the 7th floor window, lol. He’s the chillest toddler ever!” No. Whenever she talked about it, it was always with horror and anger at her idiot of husband. And my dad didn’t say how exciting it was to leave two children unattended in the room whole you’re cooking. If he had not learned his lesson, you can bet your ass that he wouldn’t have been included in the plans of babysitting the Intruder’s baby when she arrives (yeah, looks like it’ll be a she after all). But those are the plans: whenever they need babysitting, it’ll be my dad providing it since he’s the one who will have the time. OMG, I forgot to warn them that the baby will never bond to her parents if her grandfather takes part in her care!

  • Michelle

    Toilet birth is gross, and I’m not trying to advocate for unattended homebirths, but do you really think it’s a form of child abuse? It’s taking a risk, but a lot of parenthood is about deciding what risks to take. Is it child abuse to allow your child to climb a tree? Is it child abuse to allow your child to walk himself to school and back? It seems that these things should be judged on an individual basis. Admittedly, this mother who intentionally delivered her baby on the toilet doesn’t come off very well, but I’m uncomfortable with labeling every unattended homebirth as child abuse.

    • Mishimoo

      Medical neglect and denial of access to proper medical care IS abuse.

      • Who?
        • Mishimoo

          No, I didn’t! Like the snake catchers, I’m surprised that it hasn’t happened more. When I was a kid and my grandparents lived up on the Sunshine Coast, we saw brown snakes while walking to and from the beach, so I just expect them in the dunes. Its why I used to prefer to walk on the handrails and why I won’t let my kids go dune jumping. I nearly stepped on a death adder in WA doing that, and knowing that snakes live in the dunes makes the fun experience not worth the risk of them being bitten.

          • Who?

            Seriously scary critturs.

            I’ve never seen a snake on the beach, a happy state of affairs which I hope continues.

          • KarenJJ

            I’ve never seen one at the beach either. Although it is snake season at the moment and we had a dugite at the outside lunch area at work the other day.

          • Who?

            Looks like a good one to avoid!

          • Gatita

            Snake season = reason #1 I’ll never live in Australia.

          • Bombshellrisa

            Amen. I think I decided this myself when my Australian friend took a picture of the gigantic snake in her driveway and then the little, poisonous snake that found it’s way into her underwear drawer. She was in the country at the time but still!

          • The Bofa on the Sofa

            Can I just say that “I found a poisonous snake in my underwear drawer ” to be about the funniest line ever

          • Bombshellrisa

            It’s very funny, but only when I am thousands of miles away from the drawer!

          • KeeperOfTheBooks

            How the hell does a snake…
            Y’know what? I don’t wanna know.
            I keep thinking I’d love to visit Australia someday, maybe even live there, and then I realize that “try to kill the humans” is just about every Australian animal’s favorite sport.
            Also, I really, really, REALLY hate snakes. And you all have so very many of them…*whimpers*
            (Of course, I suppose that my southwestern US sounds like Snake Central to, say, someone from northern Europe, so maybe I could adapt…but not if the damn things are in my underwear drawer!)

          • Who?

            Look, we do have a lot, and mostly no one gets bitten.

            The most likely time to get bitten apparently is between 5 and sundown on a Friday afternoon, when people have had a few beers and decide to go looking for snakes…or golf balls.

            If you’ve failed the first rule of snake interaction-Leave them Alone-and get a bite, the second rule is apply first aid and call for an ambulance, sitting very still while waiting, since deciding for yourself what snake is venomous and what isn’t is a quick trip to the morgue.

        • Tigger_the_Wing

          My husband nearly stepped on a red-bellied black snake last weekend.

          I asked him if he took a photo.

          He replied that it was the furthest thing from his mind, since all he could think about was getting as far away as quickly and safely as possible.

        • D/

          As a snakephobe I decided to heed your very wise advice this time and not open the link, but I’m also one of those can’t-not-peek-even-after-you-warn-me sort of people so I sent the hubby to peek for me instead … ended up with a front row seat for the unsuspecting-arachnophobe-meets-his-worst-nightmare show. Holy crap!

          • Who?

            I know it’s like a red rag to a bull saying don’t look but on the whole better to warn than have someone completely freak out.

            So I’m very sorry about your poor husband and the spider, hope he recovers soon! Spiders actually worry me more than snakes in real life, since they are harder to spot until they are on you or very close by, but pictures of spiders don’t even register.

    • Who?

      Perhaps part of the difference is the child has to want to climb the tree, or be prepared to make their own way to and from. The parent, as the adult, considers that, and uses their experience to make a judgment call.

      A baby doesn’t choose how it’s born. All being well, its parents make that choice. Sometimes they come faster or earlier than anticipated, and everyone has to muddle along.

      And sometimes, in both cases, parental judgment fails or some factor intervenes. If an earthquake happens as your child climbs the tree, the child will probably fall. That’s probably pretty unlikely. And just rotten bad luck.

      While unattended home births are not that much worse than birth hobbyist attended home births in terms of outcome (and both of those are probably worse than taxi driver attended births, in terms of safety) they do represent either a failure to truly understand risk, or perhaps ignorance that the risk exists.

      When someone dies for one of those reasons, I don’t think it matters what you call it.

    • yugaya

      ” do you really think it’s a form of child abuse?”

      Yes if the baby is expected to need/needs medical care immediately after birth – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3272728/Faith-healing-couple-prison-killing-newborn.html

      • Michelle

        It’s definitely abuse in some situations. But to define all unattended birth as a form of child abuse still doesn’t sit well with me.

        • yugaya

          Not all, but definitely there is medical neglect in those specific situation when by giving birth unassisted to a premature baby for instance that equals delaying and/or denying lifesaving treatment after birth. Same would be in cases when a condition or complication is discovered in utero that is survivable with immediate treatment. If a mother in those case chooses to give birth unassisted, her birth choice kills the baby after birth.

    • lilin

      Yeah, I disagree that it’s child abuse. And I think making that distinction is important because women have the right to birth how they want, but they don’t have the right to abuse children. I think Dr. Tuteur is going too far with that. (Although she’s always been clear that women do have the right to the birth of their choice.)

      However I’m definitely going to judge the hell out of the people who decided to a) sit on the toilet and b) film someone sitting on the toilet instead of making sure their kid’s skull didn’t hit porcelain because they are a) incompetent and b) clearly need to be told that that kind of incompetence is worthy of being ashamed of. If I were responding to that idiotic facebook post by that idiotic woman it would be more like this.

      “I dropped him in the toilet.”

      “Well you fucked up royal right out of the gate, then, didn’t you? You made bad choice after bad choice and probably hurt your kid. You’re lucky you didn’t kill your kid. Think about that and do better.”

      • Michelle

        “Although she’s always been clear that women do have the right to the birth of their choice.”

        That’s what gets to me. I recall in the past Dr Tuteur stating that she supported a woman’s right to make informed choices about her birth. But then when she says things like “unassisted birth is a form of child abuse” it sounds like she really doesn’t support the woman’s right to make her own choices.

        • Gatita

          There’s a difference between supporting a woman’s right to make informed choices and respecting the choices the woman makes.

        • Nick Sanders

          “Informed” is a key word here. What rational person, given proper information, would drop their kid in a toilet?

    • SporkParade

      I agree with you that it isn’t child abuse, not because life has risk, but because she has the absolute right to selfishly and stupidly risk the life of her fetus. What *is* child abuse in my mind was not to seek neonatal care, especially since the baby is at risk of infection and head trauma from being born into the toilet bowl.

    • lawyer jane

      It’s not abuse only because the mother’s rights govern before the baby is born. Otherwise, it’s denial of adequate medical care – which is abuse, no matter what the reason or ideology behind it.

    • Nick Sanders

      Sanitation aside, the baby was dropped headfirst onto a hard surface. That’s not really comparable to letting a kid climb a tree or walk home on their own.

  • Azuran

    Let’s just face it. Birth toilet will be the new fad to ensure your baby’s future health and success.
    After all, when you think about it, it doesn’t actually make sense for the mother’s vaginal bacteria to be the origin of the baby’s gut microbiome. Guts and vaginas are totally different. If you want your baby to have optimal gut flora, it needs to be put in contact with it’s mother’s gut flora.

    • FrequentFlyer

      Oh no! You probably gave them a new idea.

    • Also its father’s gut flora, older siblings’ gut flora, and don’t forget the gut flora of all of the book club members and the HVAC guy who used the bathroom.

      • Trixie

        I promise, there’s no danger of this lady belonging to any book clubs.

        • Life Tip

          OMG. Featured comment. Please.

      • Azuran

        The more the better? It will give the baby natural immunity against gastroenteritis or salmonella or something.

  • DelphiniumFalcon

    Don’t you just love Facebook posts like this?

    “Lol I dropped my baby in the toilet!” and “lol my baby fell down the stairs! *insert pic of injured child here*” or “ha ha I forgot my baby in the car and it’s 100 degrees out!”

    I feel like I need to unfriend them before I become a witness in a DCFS case or something. Because posting pictures and blogging about your negligence and abuse publicly is totally a good idea. And their profiles are ALWAYS public…

    • Mishimoo

      Babies locked in cars scare me because it’s preventable and my husband is the one called to break into the car and it really is only a matter of time before he’s called to a dead or dying baby.

      • DelphiniumFalcon

        That has to be the worst thing when a call comes in… Don’t know if you’re saving someone or just confirming a corpse. So sad…

        • Mishimoo

          He’s a patrolman (like AAA in the US) so when the call comes in (and its LOUD) everyone on shift drops everything and goes to the vehicle. They aren’t paramedics, so there’s not much they can do other than hope to get there in time and that the ambulance is waiting/on its way (for humans. They have the same reaction for locked in pets) This is part of why I hate hot weather, it only takes a short time of high temperatures to cause major issues.

      • Angharad

        I’d love to hear prevention ideas. One of my fears is that one day I’ll forget my daughter in the car.

        • Michele

          One I’ve read was to take something that you would notice missing when you get out of the car (like one shoe) and put it in the back seat near the car seat.

        • LeighW

          Put something you need with the baby. Wallet, keys, security card if you need one to get into your building.
          Set a reminder on your phone that goes off about the same time you get to work or where ever you’re going.
          Hell, wrote a note on a post-it and stick it to your steering wheel or on your dash.

          It sounds silly, but I’d rather look silly than remember my kid an hour later.

          (I’ve done it with my cat. I was supposed to drop her off at the vets on the way to my grandfather’s house, and completely forgot because it wasn’t part of my normal routine. Drove an hour to his place, go to put the walker in the back of the van and see the cat carrrier. She was fine, but I was furious with myself)

        • An Actual Attorney

          This article is hard to read: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/fatal-distraction-forgetting-a-child-in-thebackseat-of-a-car-is-a-horrifying-mistake-is-it-a-crime/2014/06/16/8ae0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

          But within it, there are some very good tips. It made me much more understanding of how accidents happen, and therefor much more aware of what I could do to prevent one.

        • Mishimoo

          See, being scared of that is a good thing! I am too, and it reminds me to check the backseat before leaving the car. I find that always checking their seatbelts is enough to remind me that they are with us, but I still check when leaving the car out of habit. I also tend to put the nappy bag (with my purse and phone inside) on the floor in the back. I’ve heard that taking off your shoes and leaving them near the baby is pretty effective too, since you won’t get far without them. Never let the baby/toddler play with your keys while you’re loading the car, always secure them in their seats first, and never put the keys in the boot/trunk or where the kid can reach them.

    • FrequentFlyer

      I guess as more people insist on putting their abuse and negligence out there for the world to see, it should be easier for social workers and police officers to prove their cases. They are choosing to make the evidence public themselves.

  • Cartman36

    My favorite comment is Dr. Amy “has no credentials”. Apparently, Christine doesn’t know what credentials are.

    • Bombshellrisa

      I especially enjoyed the part where someone said that the “mama” hasn’t let a “phyco” doctor get her down and then states (to Dr Amy) “Your not even a doctor”. Presumably she meant “psycho” and “you’re”. Seems the “Hooked on Phonics” crowd is commenting in full force today.

      • Cartman36

        LOL, I also enjoyed being reminded to stand behind women and “there” bodies.

        • Amazed

          Personally, I enjoyed Bren’s demand for Dr Amy to prove her credentials. UCers value doctors’ credentials so much that they go UC but in this case…

          I can’t believe how dumb they’re pretending to be. It isn’t even about the toilet birth itself! It’s about this shitty mother (pun intended) is BOASTING about this, thinking it cute and praiseworthy. A deluded narcissist, like all of them.

          • Bombshellrisa

            The sad thing is, you don’t have to possess credentials to be able to grasp the idea that a baby being born into a toilet could be dangerous.

          • GiddyUpGo123

            Right … doctors need credentials to practice medicine and they’re so happy to question them. But UCers, all they need is to do enough “research” on the internet, and that counts as a credential.

          • Bombshellrisa

            They count watching “The business of being born” as research.
            You would think someone so educated and researched about birth would know that feeling like you have to poop while in labor is completely normal.

      • Tigger_the_Wing

        Would a Doctor of Botany, who specialised in mushrooms, be a phyco doctor? And we all know what mushrooms grow in, don’t we?

  • 2boyz

    It’s not uncommon to feel like you have to move your bowels shortly before the baby comes out (and we all know that many women do just that). I had a precipitous labor with my second. I now realize that I was probably in labor for about an hour and a half or so, but didn’t realize it until less than half an hour before the baby was born (he was out 5 minutes after we got to the hospital). Maybe 10 minutes before the labor ratcheted up to the most horrific agony I ever felt in my life, I went to go sit on the toilet. I really thought I just had to go really badly when in fact, it was the baby’s head pressuring the area. So not surprising she went to the toilet. The unassisted thing and the videotaping is obviously nuts, but she really might not have realized the baby was coming when she went to the bathroom. I can attest that the two sensations are surprisingly easy to confuse.

    • moto_librarian

      I can also see how it would be possible to confuse the sensations. I just can’t imagine posting this video for all of the world to see.

      • Janette Murchie

        She didn’t share it for all the world to see, she shared it to a small, CLOSED, PRIVATE Facebook group where this “SOB” clearly stole it and posted it to her blog without the original poster’s permission.

        • moto_librarian

          Obviously, an awful lot of people don’t understand privacy settings on Facebook. If it was truly “private,” the link wouldn’t have been visible to anyone who clicked on it.

        • Fallow

          Sharing anything on the internet = strongly risking the privacy of that information. Sharing something in Facebook, even in a “private” group, even more so. You cannot be too concerned about the privacy of your information, if you trust Facebook to be a secure spot for it.

          If people were truly able to click on that link and view the video without special permission, then that video was not, in fact, private.

          Anyway, are you here to defend birthing a child into a toilet? Let’s get on with it, then.

        • yugaya

          Just to be factual – what you are referring to as “a small, CLOSED, PRIVATE Facebook group” has several THOUSAND members.

          Words SMALL and PRIVATE clearly do not mean what you think they mean.

        • indigosky

          If she wanted privacy, she would not have posted it on the internet. She wanted attention, which is why it was filmed in the first place. I have given birth twice and felt no need to film it, much less post it on the internet. Heck, I have never even told either birth story. Why? Because I am not an attention whore.

        • Charybdis

          Yep..it was a closed and private Facebook group. Do you REALLY think the “person” responsible for letting people join the group would let Dr. Amy join? For ANY reason? And why would you think she would want to join a group such as that? She can get such things because all the narcissistic egomaniacs cannot resist posting and crowing about their “achievement”.

          I would look to your own numbers for how the video got out. Someone was appalled and is no longer toeing the NCB/UC/homebirth line like an automaton.

        • mythsayer

          Sweetheart, it doesn’t matter if it’s a private group. If you post it online, you’re risking anyone seeing it. That’s just the way the internet works. Dr. Amy’s use if what is known as “fair use,” so no good claiming this girl owns the video. She does, but by posting it online in ANY way, she risks this type of use. Sorry.

        • Sullivan ThePoop

          Luckily most adults know not to post things on the internet that you don’t want everyone to see.

        • GiddyUpGo123

          If she posted it to a small, closed, private facebook group Amy wouldn’t have been able to access it. She either meant for it to be public or she wasn’t very careful about the privacy settings.

          • The Bofa on the Sofa

            There is a third option: Dr Amy is part of the private group. In which case, it’s not all that selective.

          • Trixie

            I’m pretty sure at least half a dozen members of that group sent this to Dr. Amy. She doesn’t have to lurk in any of them because the rest of the Internet does that for her.

          • The Bofa on the Sofa

            4th option: there are moles in the group. Again, lack of selectivity.

        • Tosca

          So someone in the Facebook group leaked it?

    • GiddyUpGo123

      Yeah, except if you were really feeling like you had to poop, why the hell would you have hubby there with the video camera? I don’t care how narcissistic you are, I seriously doubt you would be OK with starring in your own poop video. They had to have known the baby was coming.

      • The Bofa on the Sofa

        Yeah, except if you were really feeling like you had to poop, why the hell would you have hubby there with the video camera? I

        Exactly.

        So what if it sometimes feels like you have to poop? That clearly has nothing to do with this situation.

      • 2boyz

        I hate the trend of videoing labor. I’m not interested in ever having any part of my labor photographed or recorded, and I don’t watch these videos either because I don’t want to watch someone else’s gross labor or birth, so I did not watch this video. A lot of these stunt-birthers do like to record all the moments. They also tend to glorify the messier aspects of birth and call them beautiful. Most women I know (myself included) absolutely dread the idea of pooping in labor in front of partners, doctors, and nurses, but for many NCBers, the mess is part of the beauty. I don’t think too many would purposely give birth into a toilet, they generally hop in the tub if they think this is it.

        She knew she was in labor, and probably just wanted to record all the “beauty”, so her husband followed her in, this is just part of the process. It is entirely possible that it started as a wow things are getting intense, I’m at the stage were my insides are being pushed out and suddenly it turned into whoops, that was actually the baby. Lol, story for posterity! Again, obviously a lot wrong with this, but I really doubt the toilet thing was planned. Not only did it also happen to me, I have heard of it happening in a number of unplanned home birth situations, where the mom’s instinct is to run to the bathroom, but she ends up pushing out the baby right then.

        • 2boyz

          *sorry, that’s ALMOST happen to me, not also.

        • The Bofa on the Sofa

          I hate the trend of videoing labor. I’m not interested in ever having any part of my labor photographed or recorded, and I don’t watch these videos either because I don’t want to watch someone else’s gross labor or birth, so I did not watch this video.

          We have a video of our wedding. In 23 years, I’ve never had any interest in watching it, nor a video an anyone else’s wedding. Why would I care to watch someone in labor?

          • Bombshellrisa

            I don’t even like looking at our wedding pictures. I love my husband and we have a wonderful marriage and friendship, I just don’t like looking back. I prefer enjoying what we have now that we aren’t 22 and just starting out.

        • Bombshellrisa

          I have a friend whose husband recorded the births of both of their children (hospital births). They have only ever showed the videos to their kids and it helped with the “how babies are born” discussion.

    • Kelly

      You would think with all of their research that they would know that when it feels like you need to poop, that it is really time to push. I really don’t have any sympathy for this woman.

  • Valerie

    Didn’t Anna Duggar give birth on a toilet?

    • Cartman36

      I think so. I remember an episode where she was in labor on the toilet.

  • Trulyunbelievable2020

    The link to the FB post appears to be broken. Anyone else able to open it?

  • lilin

    I wonder what they would say to an OB who dropped a baby head-first onto porcelain smeared with shit.

    I’m sure it would be supportive.

  • GiddyUpGo123

    Wait they’re all pissed off because Amy reposted the video? I don’t know, when you put a “private” video of yourself online, doesn’t it then cease to be private? I don’t think you get to pick and choose where it ends up after you make the choice to put it there in the first place. I’m sorry but if you put it online, it’s no longer private.

    • Montserrat Blanco

      I do not apear on any video that my grandmother or my boss would not be allowed to see. It is pretty easy to do not feel embarrassed if you follow that rule.

    • Trixie

      She didn’t repost the video, just a screenshot of the post.

  • Beth

    Toilet birth is not natural. Our ancient ancestors didn’t have indoor plumbing.

  • Zoey

    When I was in school, someone started a rumour that a boy in my grade was born into a toilet. It was almost certainly untrue, but it didn’t stop the teasing or the humiliation he suffered.

    I feel for this boy/girl once they are old enough for their classmates to realize that there is video evidence that they actually were born into a toilet.

    • Roadstergal

      I have a feeling this special toiletflake will be homeschooled.

      • FrequentFlyer

        Or Unschooled.

        • yugaya

          It’s never too early to start elimination communication..

  • demodocus

    If you’re going to play Russian roulette with your impending newborn, at least have the sense to give birth on the bath mat! It’s warmer, slightly softer, and maybe a trifle more sanitary. ‘Specially if you’ve washed this week.

    • SporkParade

      My bath mat gets washed maybe twice a year…

  • namaste863

    Oh, and is it just me, or does this woman’s post (the toilet-birther in question, I mean) contain all the intellect of something posted by a Kardashian?

    • monojo

      God help me that I know this, but Kim Kardashian has stated publicly that this pregnancy will likely be her last because she has a history of placenta accreta. She has been very clear that she will be having a scheduled c-section because she is unwilling to take a risk with her baby’s life. So I’d say (at least in this case) that Kim has far more sense and intellect than this idiot and her supporters.

      • namaste863

        You know it’s time to reevaluate your life when you show less sense than a Kardashian.

      • Sarah

        Infinitely. Fair play to Kim.

    • Trixie

      The Kardashians even vaccinate!

      • Roadstergal

        Stop making me appreciate the Kardashians… gah… I almost crashed the car when I heard Kim on Wait Wait.

      • Bombshellrisa

        They also give birth in the hospital with (gasp) interventions!

  • namaste863

    These people are obviously a special breed of looney tunes. I mean, Jesus, why would you drop your baby into something you wouldn’t even touch without washing your hands afterwards? Just disgusting, by every definition of the word.

    • Anne

      Because microbiome

    • yugaya

      Because “hospitals are full of germs”.

      Yeah, it’s oh so much better to be born into shit. Literally.

    • LeighW

      Same as the people who photograph their young kids holding guns. Wtf is wrong with you?!? Why is your 2 year old holding a weapon!?!

  • FrequentFlyer

    Nothing on the internet is private, and nothing on the internet ever really goes away. Once it’s there, it’s there. Who wants to bet that her poor child won’t be the “chillest” kid ever when a classmate finds out that he was a toilet baby? He will never hear the end of how his mom s**t him out on the on the toilet.

  • indigosky

    Unassisted childbirth is abuse. No time in human history did a woman not have someone help her give birth, whether it be a doctor or just her female relatives. I don’t know what world these women are living in, but they sound like they need some quality time in a padded room where they can’t hurt anyone else.

  • PrimaryCareDoc

    Say it with me, ladies. The internet is not private.

  • Mel

    Wow.

    Has this lady ever heard of Google Images? Does she realize that everyone – and I do mean everyone – with internet access and very minor technology skills will be able to connect her face with her legal name is under 20 minutes?

    Does she really want to be known as “that twit who gave birth in the toilet then FB’ed it?”

    I know babies come fast sometimes; my mom convinced my dad to help her to the bathroom when she was in labor with my bro. She made it 5 steps from the bed and realized that she was crowning. I know women have given birth in all sorts of places before – but most overly fast labors still end up with enough time for mom to flop into a semi-sterile environment like a floor compared to over the toilet.

    Having your partner film you giving birth on the toilet is the kind of dip-shit self-promoting stupidity that makes America great….

  • somethingobscure

    Okay so apparently, toilet water > formula.

    • Fallow

      Formula is poison. Birthing your newborn into toilet water is a natural choice that any mother should be able to make without judgement. Just ask any of these lunatics.

      • Sarah

        Poo is organic.

      • SporkParade

        In all fairness, most of the water that most people drank during most of history was fecally contaminated by the folks living upstream.

        • Fallow

          Not sure what you’re trying to get at with “in all fairness”. People have historically lived (and still do live) with hellishly contaminated water, so it’s not fair to say this woman’s cohort should not defend a dangerous toilet birth when they simultaneously condemn something as benign as formula?

          I mean I know you aren’t crazy from your commenting history here. I just don’t get who I’m supposed to be more fair to? I think “in all fairness” is a rhetorical device that doesn’t really work for me in most cases.

          • attitude devant

            (she was joking)

          • SporkParade

            I was being tongue in cheek about what is natural. Water that humans drew from natural sources before modern sanitation was generally contaminated, so it’s technically natural that a newborn would be exposed to fecally contaminated water. Which means that dropping a baby in a toilet is just harkening back to the glorious days before OBs ruined birth for earth mamas. 😉 I wasn’t commenting on the formula part. Formula is the best.

    • yugaya

      Being naturally born unassisted head first into a toilet > hospital birth.

  • Amazed

    Girls, girls (and Bofa and Nick when you drop by), let’s be real here: a toilet birth is the best birth AS LONG as it’s a homebirth! Just like an “intervened with” birth is a bad birth by the virtue of being a hospital birth. Just like the healthcare systems in the UK and the Netherlands are better by the virtue of having integrated midwives, never mind the outcomes.

    Accommodate ideology, and you have the most glorious birth ever, even if it’s in an abandoned site used for storing sheep shit, amidst a heap of the aforementioned substance.

    Lesson over. Do we need to rinse and repeat?

    • Roadstergal

      “Do we need to rinse and repeat?”

      The baby could probably use a rinse at this point.

      • Amazed

        Yeah. most likely. But perhaps toilet water doesn’t interfere with bonding, the way bathwater at hospital does.

        And hats. Can’t forget about the hats.

      • KeeperOfTheBooks

        You can’t do that! You’ll remove the vernix! And the feces. And the e. coli. And whatever lovely chemicals may have cleaned that toilet. And…
        “Not giving birth on a toilet” has become one of my personal goals in life, but should I ever do so, I’d damn well better be in a hospital where people get paid a lot to be handed a newborn covered in heaven-knows-what and clean him or her off before I start with the snuggles. Trust me, our bond won’t suffer. I’m pretty sure that “EWWWW GET IT AWAY” isn’t the first phrase I want my kid to hear out of me. :p

        • Sarah

          I kind of want to be the first person in the world to have an MRCS on the toilet.

          • KeeperOfTheBooks

            Aaaaand I’ll be happy to step back and let you have that honor. :p

          • Who?

            And you could record it and post it on FB, in a private group of course, so only the whole world and his wife could see it.

          • Sarah

            It’s almost enough to tempt me into having another.

    • Mel

      Stop giving them new ideas.

      I wish I were joking, but just say no to giving birth in animal manures. I do not want to have to start guarding our barn.

      • Roadstergal

        “If it was good enough for Jesus, it’s good enough for my baby!”

        • Mel

          With God as my witness, I will be standing there with a long-staff screaming “You shall not pass!” while calling my neighbors who are also the local cops……

          • demodocus

            The way is shut!

          • Rach

            It was made by those who are Dead, and the Dead keep it… Scarily appropriate quote!

          • demodocus

            I know

        • KeeperOfTheBooks

          I’ve actually heard that one before, sadly.
          My response: I’m gonna hazard a guess that if His mother knew about e. coli and all the *lovely* other stuff that likes to hang out near animal feces, she’d have gone for a place where at least He wouldn’t be born into who-knows-what, germwise. Also, preferably with a care provider who’d know to wash his hands first. No offense whatsoever intended: Mary and Joseph were first-century AD/CE people, and I can’t blame them in the least for not knowing about that stuff when no one else did.
          It did royally annoy a lot of people when I theorized that if a C-section were an option, Mary being the perfect mother and knowing she’d only (at least, in Catholic teaching) give birth to one kid, would totally have gone for a maternal request CS. No worry about risks in future pregnancies, assuming all the risk on herself for that birth, etc. *grins in a decidedly evil manner*

          • Roadstergal

            I’m not a theist, but would breaking her hymen by birthing our lord and savior make her no-longer-a-virgin by their rules?

            Also, too, I never understood why they didn’t just beam babies out on Star Trek.

          • KeeperOfTheBooks

            Not in Catholic tradition; I imagine it might in some uber-right-wing fundamentalist groups. (In Catholic tradition, the only thing that makes you not-a-virgin is consensual sex.)
            I would fully support the use of transporters in delivery rooms. 😀

          • Roadstergal

            Seriously, there needs to be fanfic of _this_. The one birth we’ve ‘seen’ on DS9 seemed shamefully low-tech.

          • Chi

            In Star Trek: Voyager they beam the baby out. But only because she was in distress and her cranial ridges had lodged in her mother’s uterine wall. Presumably beaming her out was a priority at that point because mother was at increased risk of serious hemorrhage.

            However, it wasn’t the greatest solution because beaming the baby out did something to screw up the balance of salts in their body. Or something. Been a while since I’ve seen the episode.

            Coolest thing was, the transport clamped and cut the cord. Wham bam thank you ma’am.

            …I’m a Star Trek nerd ok?

            And Voyager is my absolute fave series of all time. Female captain ftw!

          • Spamamander

            Janeway is the woman!!

          • Kq

            I love you.

          • Chi

            Hahaha I have my moments.

          • KeeperOfTheBooks

            Wasn’t there that one time that Counselor Troi got pregnant with a weird different-being kid? I don’t remember anything about the actual birth, though.

          • DelphiniumFalcon

            I think it was the not being “known” by a man that qualified her as a virgin. And at least according to Matthew 1:25, Joseph didn’t get to know her in the Biblical sense until after she gave birth so she was a virgin for at least a while after the birth too. Or at least I hope for a while after!

          • Amazed

            I think she was the only woman who didn’t have labour pains, so I guess her birth was really a blissful one. I guess he didn’t need to wait too much after. She was OK, I believe.

          • Mishimoo

            Didn’t they beam out one of the half-Klingon babies?

          • SporkParade

            Actually, I’ve heard that the Greek isn’t completely unambiguous about Jesus being born in a barn. A more reasonable interpretation is that they were camped out on the first floor of someone’s house (the actual bedrooms being on the second floor).

          • Nick Sanders

            I read that too, but it also explained that there weren’t separate buildings for barns back then; people brought the animals into their house at night. So, He would have been in a reasonably comfortable living room, but He still might have been sharing it with livestock.

          • DelphiniumFalcon

            What part of “no room in the inn” in every Christmas pageant ever does not compute for them? Whatever translation you use, the place Jesus was born was not Mary’s first choice. I’m sure she didn’t consider it good enough for any baby, regardless of if the baby was her Lord or not!

            Sheesh, people need to actually read their Bible before using it to justify blatantly stupid acts. And even still consider the culture before doing one of the really off the wall things in it! Then there’s that whole thing about the laws of Moses being superseded by the Law of Christ. Sorry, your reason to shun and beat gays was replaced with “love your neighbor” and leave that judgement stuff to God by the guy who is the foundation of the name of the religion.

      • Amazed

        OK, I’ll delete it as soon as they swarm all over here from the Facebook page, the way they did with the post about the milky woman.

    • Sarah

      Rinse what, is the question…

    • Sue

      Cos home fecal organisms are healthy and “strengthen the immune system”, whereas hospital ones are pathogenic, clearly.

  • Roadstergal

    What is up with some people and preventive medicine? I thought “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure” was a bit of Proper Old Folk Wisdom, not some newfangled doctor thing.

    http://www.skepticalob.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Hannah-Lee.jpg

    • Mel

      Where did the “birth is peaceful” mantra come from, either?

      Literature throughout history has made it pretty clear that birth was often a sceaming, terrified experience that could kill the mom weeks after the delivery.

      Cows don’t have quite as tight a fit for the calves giving birth as humans do – they can often walk while the calf is half-way through the pelivs – but even cow deliveries are often noisy. Cows have a fairly disntictive bellowing noise they make during contractions. It’s not peaceful.

      • The Bofa on the Sofa

        Where did the “birth is peaceful” mantra come from, either?

        You’ve all heard me say it lots of times: 3000 years ago, birth was so NOT PEACEFUL that it was considered a punishment from God.

        These people live in fantasyland.

    • lilin

      So, the woman arched back, crouched on the toilet and screaming is peaceful? Man, I really don’t know how to read body language.

    • yugaya

      “What is up with some people and preventive medicine?”

      It is completely lost on these people.

  • Amazed

    Why am I not surprised that some of the idiots posting there are this moron’s RL friends? By their company you shall know them…

    You know, that’s one of the reasons I don’t give homebirthing mothers all the clean pass for not knowing. Sure, it’s very harsh to say, “She made her decision” about someone who lost their baby but the problem is that. Each. One. Of. The. Morons. Posting. There. Could. Be. The. Next. One. Sure, they’re in a cult. But they’re also brainwashers in the cult. They’re victims and they create victims. Not as innocent as white daisies…

  • Tigger_the_Wing

    This is utterly horrific! How could anyone drop a newborn into a toilet, and not be horrified and filled with revulsion against what they did?

    Where are the people who should be protecting that poor infant from their nasty parents?

  • LizzieSt

    And now I am thinking of that poor baby girl in China who was found abandoned in a toilet this past summer.

    The situations are not identical, but how on earth did “Babies don’t belong in toilets” become a controversial statement?

    • somethingobscure

      And at what age/for what reason does it become a problem? If I put my 5 month old head first into the toilet, I feel like people would be asking some questions. But a newborn is totally cool!? Because birth is all about the mother and her right to do it however and wherever she wants, but mothering any point after that is subject to intense scrutiny from literally everyone.

    • Amy M

      It was some time ago, but I swear I remember a news story (perhaps local) about a teenage girl who hid her pregnancy, and gave birth during the prom in a toilet stall. And I’ve seen at least one movie where that’s the plot, but this was before those movies were made.

      Often, in those homebirth stories, we hear of women laboring on the toilet, so I imagine the occasional baby falling into the toilet happens. Still, to make a big deal out of it, post it all over facebook and decide that no one should offer their negative opinion is unrealistic to say the least.

      • LizzieSt

        And then to have the nerve to claim that it’s a private video. She uploaded it to Facebook, for goodness’ sake!

      • Gene

        That happened at my high school. And we are talking several decades ago. Baby died.

        • Amy M

          Oh, that’s sad. There were a fair number of pregnant teens at my high school, but to my knowledge none of them gave birth at school or other inappropriate location, at least not while I was there.

      • Bombshellrisa

        I remember something like that, although I remember the young woman was at college and both she and the baby girl she gave birth to died.

      • SporkParade

        Those kinds of stories were used in my hypnobirthing class of an example of the power of the mind to shape our birthing experience. Because you never hear about complicated births among teenagers whose top priority is to give birth unnoticed or something.

        • Dr Kitty

          Except they forget that a significant number of those teens subsequently turn up seeking medical care.
          Also, any time an abandoned newborn baby is discovered there will be an appeal for the mother to come forward because she might need medical care. That isn’t BS.

  • ModerateMom

    If a doctor in a hospital dropped the baby on his head in the toilet, what would these people say?

    • lilin

      Ha! I asked the same thing. I’m guessing they would call for a loss of license at the very least. But, of course, in the hospital they take preventative measures so that a kid’s first experience of the world isn’t his skull getting smacked against porcelain.

    • Who?

      Probably the same thing they’d say if the doctor suggested an epidural and some fluids for mum, and then a Vit K injection after delivery.

      These people are not right.

  • Daleth

    Another day, another reminder that some people are CRAZY.

    Both because they defend someone who purposely sat on the toilet while she was in late labor (i.e. purposely gave birth INTO THE TOILET)… and because they don’t seem to realize that if you post something on the internet where strangers can see it, IT IS NOT PRIVATE.

    • Mel

      But you don’t understand! When you put something on the internet, only people who support me are supposed to read it! If you don’t support me, you shouldn’t read it…or comment on it.

      Of course, I took that from my average 15 year old sophomore, not an adult woman……

  • Trixie

    Toilet Bowl Mom has since stated in that group that she will be letting her tear heal naturally.
    Another one of those moms that wrote on your wall is planning a UBA2C despite being on a feeding tube (she brews red raspberry leaf tea in her feeding tube bag).
    This is the same Unassisted Group administrated by Ruth “dead babies are hiccups” Rodley.

    • FrequentFlyer

      What? I’m trying to wrap my brain around what you wrote, but it is rebelling. I can’t even…… What is wrong with these people!

      • Trixie

        Yep. All of it is completely true.

    • Francesca Violi

      she will let her tear heal “naturally” – as in dunking it in the toilet bowl water and share a video of the process on facebook?

    • araikwao

      I imagine she has no idea what grade it is….eeek

      • Dr Kitty

        Oh, I suspect that if she lets it heal naturally, she’ll become aware if it is 3rd or 4th degree…

        • yugaya

          She can read on how to live with maimed, unrepaired vagina on Modern Alternative Mama’s blog.

          Oh wait, she does not share that around, she only posts how flappable she is in those wretched groups. It’s bad for business if her natural pregnancy tips customers get the urge to keep their legs crossed forever while reading.

          • Sullivan ThePoop

            I repaired my own tear with a needle and thread so I have more street cred than MAM. (I of course did no such thing)

          • Who?

            So feeble. I did mine with a rusty nail and some twine we unwrapped from the fence around the sewerage pit.

            In the dark. And I had to collect the materials myself while being pursued by ravening doctors wanting to ‘help’ me.

          • Charybdis

            Unless it was uphill in the snow and you were barefoot also, you are just a rank amateur. No UC Tear Self Suture badge for you!! 😛

          • Who?

            Uphil both directions, of couse!

    • SporkParade

      How do you brew tea in a feeding tube bag?

      • Dr Kitty

        The only way I can think of involves washing out an empty bag and reusing it.
        Enteral feeds are usually pre-made in single use sterile bags, usually connected overnight to an electric pump.

        Safe to say that I don’t think that the manufacturers of enteral feed bags foresaw this particular use of their product.

        • Trixie

          She posted a picture of herself doing just that.

          • Dr Kitty

            Like I said, not the best at looking after her life sustaining equipment.
            I hope she’s told whoever prescribes her feeds about the tea.
            I mean, it isn’t as if they need to know what she is eating or drinking when they prescribe the correct volume and composition of feed, or that they could be accused of malpractice should she have an adverse outcome due to this.

            Most responsible doctors would be considering removing the tube or admitting her to hospital if they knew about the tea…

    • WTF

      You’re a real fucker aren’t you “Trixie”. Why not come out with who you really are in that group. I’m in the unassisted group and you’re just shit stirring like “Dr” Fucking Amy. The mega bitch who’ll take any story and rip the crap out of it and abuse everyone, not hide any names, even though she has NO permission to use them.
      Get a fucking life.

      • Chi

        1) The mother posted the video to Facebook in order to garner back-patting and congratulations in order to feed her ego.

        2) If Dr Amy was able to see and link to the video it WASN’T PRIVATE. Sorry pal, that’s the risk you run whenever you post ANYTHING to Facebook.

        3) The majority of the comments she’s posting WERE ON HER OWN PAGE. Just because the people attacking her are members of your group, doesn’t mean she doesn’t have the right to share the comments being left ON HER PAGE.

        4) Even though she is retired, she still holds a medical degree, therefore she IS a doctor, you putting her title in quotation marks doesn’t change that fact and just makes you look like a sulky brat who’s trying to do anything they can to attack her.

        5) Unassisted homebirth is DANGEROUS. If you do not accept that, you are delusional.

        6) If this so-called ‘shit-stirring’ makes you uncomfortable/provokes such a strong emotional response, doesn’t that tell you that there’s some small teeny sliver of doubt about what you’re doing? It’s called cognitive dissonance dearie and you should really listen to it before more helpless innocent babies pay the price.

        • WTF

          Blah blah blah…”more helpless innocent babies pay the price”
          what incase they accidentally get born at home in the toilet because mum feels the need to push.
          Smh, my friend ended up having an unplanned unassisted homebirth with her 2nd and baby was born into the toilet because the midwife didn’t make it on time. There is nothing wrong with her baby, that was 9 years ago.
          If there are prior problems with a pregnancy/birth then ok, I’d be saying probably not the best idea to have an unassisted birth, but if not then go for it.

          • Fallow

            You seem like a noted anthropologist. Please describe for me all the human societies throughout history in which women birthed entirely unassisted, as a matter of course. Bonus point for societies that traditionally birthed children into latrines. I’m sure you’ll find plenty of them, if it’s such a good idea.

          • WTF

            I’m sorry but where did I say it was a good idea. I never said that. dumb ass.
            It happens sometimes.. just like in a car. geeze.
            more woman are doing it because they get abused by their Drs with a lot of interventions. If they have had a pregnancy with problems then they shouldn’t go unassisted.

          • Amazed

            Right, like the feeding tube idiot you’re cheering on?

            Shoo away, toilet turd.

            Oh, and before we flush you out, along with your lies, would you like to share just how Dr Amy’s posts reached the dump you all inhibit? For people who screech that they’re stalked, you seem to be quite engaged in stalking a retired “Dr”, as your dumb lot puts it.

          • Who?

            Another boring freedom/all my rights rider.

            Yawn.

          • Chi

            Just because a pregnancy has been problem-free does NOT guarantee that labor will be as well. And when things go wrong during labor, they usually go wrong pretty quickly.

            And I’m sorry but I really take umbrage with the whole ‘interventions are abuse’ stance. You’re not a medical professional so who the hell are you to say what interventions are or aren’t necessary in any given labor?

            Labor is NOT all about the experience like all you NCB advocates claim. Labor is about bringing a healthy child into the world. End of story. Why would you all risk your babies for something so superficial as the ‘experience’ of giving birth?

            Guess what? Women have been giving birth naturally for thousands of years. They AND their babies have also been dying in childbirth for thousands of years. It’s why women used to make sure they had their affairs in order before birthing.

            Just because it’s ‘natural’ does NOT make it safe.

          • Who?

            But Chi, that would be a case of “Blah, blah, blah…’more innocent babies pay the price'”, which our visitor then went on to describe as ‘It happens sometimes’.

            So, in the immortal spirit of planned homebirth, with or without a homebirth hobbyist as an attendant, ‘what are a few dead babies, really’?

          • Trixie

            And women who traditionally posted selfies of their toilet births on social media with an LOL

          • Sullivan ThePoop

            Well, I would agree but only if you do it skydiving out of an airplane.

      • Amazed

        Do you use this charming language on the UCers who suffer a loss, sweetheart? I can see you’re engaging in getting high by watching other people taking terrible risks with their lives/their babies’ life. Do you visit a “Dr” for your ailment, or do you do unassisted treatment? If the second, sorry to say it doesn’t work.

        • yugaya

          They always entertain such adult and commendable discourse when they parachute in, don’t they?

          • Amazed

            Well, as the local netiquette offender, I cannot really complain much about other people’s language. But I don’t suffer her dangerous (to other people!) malady, for sure! THAT is what I have a problem with!

            Of course, they don’t care about my problem with them. They only care about the humiliation of that dignified creature who knowingly showed her toilet birth to a few thousand people.

          • Who?

            I find the profanity tedious rather than offensive, but am constantly struck by the call for purity on one side (no drugs, keep everything natural) , and the extreme vulgarity on the other.

            Apparently everything but the ears and brains must be pure!

          • Amazed

            Profanity rubs me the wrong way when it’s addressed to people who were nothing but polite to the parachuting troll. But yes, I can see your point.

          • Who?

            I don’t think they have another vocabulary to draw on, particularly when angry or challenged.

            We have some local mouthbreathing fundamenalists with a turn of phrase that periodically gets them arrested when they use it in the street. Always addressed to us ‘poor fucking cunt sinners’.

            Apparently they are quite nice at home.

          • KarenJJ

            I don’t really care about the language used. If only they could explain to me in some way that makes some fucking sense as to how videos like this can be defended as not being negligent towards a child.

          • Who?

            The issue I think is that you are not a brainwashed NCB lackey, so the explanation you seek is outside your capacity to comprehend.

          • KarenJJ

            I suspect the reason the defenders of this video and her facebook post are so angry is because they realise that this doesn’t reflect well on them and makes them look reckless and cavalier towards a helpless infant. If Dr Amy was commenting about one of the other hundred or more “beautiful, serene homebirths” posted on the internet where a baby at least looks loved and cuddled after the birth, they’d have a lot more ground to appear reasonable.

      • mythsayer

        And yet you’re the one cursing. Classy.

      • Sullivan ThePoop

        So, you thought you would come on here acting like a foul mouthed child? Well, thanks for letting the world know what kind of people UC.

        • WTF

          So you think I’m like that just because I UC.. HA. you have know idea how bad mouthed I can be.

          • Who?

            More likely you UC because you don’t realise or care about the serious risks you take every time you do, which means you’re either opposed to anyone who knows more than you telling you what you don’t want to hear, or you’re stupid.

            Or both.

            Either way, you’re doing a great job as the poster crittur for UC, your cursing intolerance is a great advertisement for the team.

            Keep at it!

          • Sullivan ThePoop

            It is nothing to brag about

          • DelphiniumFalcon

            There’s a certain art to swearing. Does it improve the cadence of the sentence? Is the exclamation improved by the word? Are naughty words being strung together in creative or alliterative ways that are pleasing to the ear? Is the correct emotion being displayed?

            Your understanding of the artistry is…lacking.

            My dad is a blue collar worker and my in laws were both in the Navy. I have observed masters of the craft. Your craft needs more study to be entertainingly crass instead of just vulgar.

            But keep studying, you might get there. In the mean time try to expand your vocabulary to better caress and support these words instead of just fucking indiscriminately.

            Yours,

            One of the Resident Prose SmartAsses

          • Monkey Professor for a Head

            Context is also very important. I come from Ireland, where a swear word can be a insult or a benediction, depending on how it’s used.

      • Trixie

        It’s the honest truth: I’m not in that group. Another one of your 2,400 members told me. Have fun figuring out which one!

        • WTF

          The truth will find a way out. Who knows what the admins of the group are doing to find ladies that share information, that’s up to them.

          • Who?

            And then what will they do, when they find the one in 2000 plus who ‘told’ on you? Pull her pigtails?

            Grow up.

          • Trixie

            Lol!

    • Dr Kitty

      People with feeding tubes should be getting proper prenatal care, with blood tests and urine tests and a dietician monitoring their feeds.

      Long term feeding tubes (PEG or PEJ) generally aren’t placed in young women with no underlying health problems, never mind the history of 2CS, she’s high risk.

      She also doesn’t seem to be taking the best care of her life sustaining medical appliances.

      I hope there is someone in her life trying to dissuade her from the UC and watching out for her.

      • Trixie

        She was hospitalized for several weeks with complications from HG.

    • Who?

      I actually get drawing a line in the sand when you’ve had a lot of medical treatment. And it’s entirely fair enough to make an informed decision to refuse medical care.

      Unfortunately when birth is the hill someone chooses to die on-figuratively speaking-actual death may not be far away.

    • DelphiniumFalcon

      …doesn’t red raspberry leaf cause contractions of the uterus? Has she been doing this the whole pregnant or just when trying to jump start labor?

      Just wondering…

      • Bombshellrisa

        It’s supposed to “tone” the uterus, and supposedly is ok to drink through out pregnancy (only quoting the woo I was taught here, other sources might say it’s NOT safe until after week 36)

        • Chi

          I heard it helps thin the cervix which is why you don’t drink it till past week 36. Though why anyone would voluntarily drink that stuff is beyond me. It is disgusting.

          Though I suppose if you have a feeding tube you’re not tasting it so….

          • Karen in SC

            I’ve heard it helps “tone” the uterus. Have never found much evidence of any positive effect.

        • DelphiniumFalcon

          I have no idea either. My one source was an old herb book with fragile pages that says don’t drink it while trying to conceive or while pregnant unless trying to induce labor.

          The other is a whacky home birthers in my old ward who thinks red raspberry leaf cures everything that ailes you to the point that my dad has made it a meme. He does not think highly of unproven remedies and home birth especially. Watching your wife nearly die twice in childbirth while in a hospital with massive interventions does that to a man I suppose.

          He tends to believe if you’re doing something that asinine you deserve to be mocked. Especially when this lady tried to get my mom to take St. John’s wort with her pain killers and antidepressants. Good thing she thought this woman was a loony too.

          • Bombshellrisa

            I agree with you dad : )
            I have heard so many contradictory things when it comes to woo, the midwives I was a student with taught that cinnamon is a blood thinner, so it wouldn’t be good to take during pregnancy. The midwives that have often been quoted along with UC advocates believe that cinnamon is good for a PPH. I have heard Kale shouldn’t be eaten within a week of your due date because it can prevent your cervix from dilating, that evening primrose oil had prostaglandins in it and that chocolate can stop preterm labor.

          • DelphiniumFalcon
    • yugaya

      “letting her tear heal naturally.”

      What’s a little extra flap among unassisted friends?

    • Charybdis

      That would be “hickups”.

      Sounds like something a redneck would drive. ” I got me a new hickup truck”.

      • Who?

        I like that. It borrows from ‘there’ bodies, but with a twist. I will be gently smiling all day.

        And I love your nym.

        • Charybdis

          Thank you. Nicest thing I’ve heard all day.:) I’m a bit of a mythology nerd….

        • Mac Sherbert

          Scrolled all the comments to see when someone would point out the “there” bodies…

      • Trixie

        Yes, you’re right!

  • CelinaA

    So beautiful and private that she shared it on the Internet. Ha!

    • yugaya

      And the internet went eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew, and she was from that moment on forever known as Toilet Bowl Mom.

      What a closer for her “My Perfect Natural Unassisted Homebirth” story.