Vaccination has greater benefits than breastfeeding; anti-vaxxers’ and lactivists’ heads explode

Stressed buinesswoman

There’s often a lot of backlash to my posts, but the recent post, Vaccination is far more baby friendly than breastfeeding, has drawn a particularly vituperative response.

Consider this tweet from Amandha Dawn Vollmer:

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Dr. Amy Tuteur is a well know [sic] evil CUNT that continuously promotes the satanic medical agenda …

Apparently both anti-vaxxers and lactivists are experiencing such profound distress in the form of cognitive dissonance that their heads are exploding.

Coming face to face with the fact that vaccines save far more lives than breastfeeding ever could is mentally excruciating.

What is cognitive dissonance?

Leon Festinger proposed cognitive dissonance theory, which states that a powerful motive to maintain cognitive consistency can give rise to irrational and sometimes maladaptive behavior.

According to Festinger, we hold many cognitions about the world and ourselves; when they clash, a discrepancy is evoked, resulting in a state of tension known as cognitive dissonance. As the experience of dissonance is unpleasant, we are motivated to reduce or eliminate it, and achieve consonance (i.e. agreement).

Why are anti-vaxxers and lactivists wrestling with such profound cognitive dissonance over the fact that vaccines have far greater health benefits than breastfeeding? It’s because anti-vaxxers and lactivists often share beliefs. They are 100% certain both that vaccines are dangerous and that breastmilk is magically protective.

Coming face to face with the fact that vaccines have saved far more lives than breastfeeding ever could is mentally excruciating.

Although there are some who believe (without any scientific or historical evidence) that vaccines don’t work, the majority of anti-vaxxers acknowledge that vaccines work to save lives from vaccine preventable diseases (VPDs). They assert that the risks of vaccines outweigh the benefits of vaccines. That’s because they fabricate and grossly exaggerate the risks of vaccines and they minimize the benefits on the theory that if they haven’t seen diphtheria/pertussis/polio/etc. then diphtheria/pertussis/polio/etc. are no longer a threat to health.

Most anti-vaxxers extoll the benefits of breastfeeding for “strengthening immunity” and thereby preventing the same diseases that vaccines prevent. They often see breastfeeding as a substitute for vaccination, failing to understand that most maternal antibodies to vaccine preventable diseases are ImmunoglobulinG (IgG) antibodies and are too large to pass in breastmilk. Not only are vaccines better at preventing VPDs, breastfeeding literally CANNOT prevent against most VPDs.

Moreover, most anti-vaxxers believe that breastfeeding should be promoted with all possible public health measures, up to and including pressuring and shaming women into breastfeeding. They view women who can’t or choose not to breastfeed as selfish, ignorant and lazy. If that’s true, and the benefits of vaccination are greater than the benefits of breastfeeding, that makes anti-vaxxers even more selfish, ignorant and lazy, a simply intolerable thought.

Lactivists come at this issue from a slightly different angle. They, too, believe that the benefits of breastfeeding require public health measures to promote breastfeeding by pressure and shaming. That’s why they strongly support The Baby Friendly Hospital Initiative, which is designed to do just that. But if vaccination has far greater benefits than breastfeeding, their efforts are misplaced. Instead of pressuring women about breastfeeding, we should be pressuring them about vaccination.

In addition, a substantial proportion of lactivists are anti-vaxxers, making the cognitive dissonance particularly debilitating.

That explains the vociferous response accusing me not merely of being empirically wrong but insisting that I am being satanically evil. I have made them feel bad and foolish about their core beliefs regarding vaccination and breastfeeding by showing them how truly incompatible they are with each other.

And that makes me very happy indeed!

  • D V

    I bet most of these vacctivists who are so easily worried about “baby’s dying” from disease and starvation, have no issue with killing a healthy life in the womb, just as Amy Tuteur MD has performed abortions in the past and does not condemn the barbaric practice today. It is a common hypocrisy.

    IF the new life makes it out alive, these psychos immediately shoot it with experimental toxins, preservatives and GMO agents, and feed it soy formula filled with corn syrup and aspartame. Disgusting, vile, people who pretend to care for babies.

    • momofone

      “Disgusting, vile, people who pretend to care for babies.” And then don’t vaccinate them. I couldn’t agree more.

      • Heidi

        Oh, D V’s comments are becoming so laughable. It’s crazy the crap they will say to rationalize their refusal to protect children from miserable, life-threatening illnesses.

    • Azuran

      Thats because
      1:a foetus is not a baby and
      2: Pregnancy comes with a risk of death for the mother. And even a totally straightforward, uncomplicated pregnancy and birth is likely to leave the woman with some physical sequels.

      I have a question for you. Lets imagine for a moment that you are a firefighter and there is a fire in a fertility clinic. You enter the building and find an inconcious 4 years old next to a fridge containing 24 embryo. The fridge is too heavy for you to bring both the fridge and the girl, and the building is on the verge of collapsing, so you probably won’t be able to come back in. Do you save the girl of the fridge?
      Because if you truly believe that an embryo or a foetus is the same as a baby, then you should save the fridge and leave the 4 years old to die. But seriously, would you really do something as horrible as to leave a kid to die to save embryos? What if there were 100 embryo? 1000 embryo? Is there any number of what is essentially a bundle of cells that you would seriously think is worth more than a kid?

  • Amy Tuteur, MD

    There was a time when all childbirth was natural, all babies were breastfed, and everyone was unvaccinated …

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/722798f118a353c8918c3c0f332a4990db3d4f4b507e3fc38d91e1e6a7ff88ba.jpg

    • demodocus

      I almost want to downvote ’cause this is depressing

    • Amazed

      I am not sure I agree. In fact, I am sure I don’t. When all childbirth was natural and basically all was natural, child death was UNpreventable. It’s only when natural fell out of favour when child death became preventable.

      I am quite sure that people of old did all they could to treat their children with what they had. I know this wasn’t your intention, but Dr Amy, please do not compare them to the whiny toddlers of natural parents who deprive their children of treatment while stomping their feet and yelling, “Natural!” on the top of their voices.

    • D V

      How horrid. How did humanity survive to a record 8 billion population?

      • More babies were born and survived than people died, obviously. If 1 man and 1 woman have 10 children, of whom 3 survive to adulthood, they have grown the population of the Earth even with a 70% infant and child mortality rate. They started with 2 people and ended with 3 people. This is not hard math. It’s also still not a good situation.

      • Azuran

        You might notice that the bulk of this 8 billion people happened relatively recently. We reached 1 billion only around 200 years ago. The population basically doubled in the last 50 years.
        All thanks to better technology, better medicine, vaccination etc.

      • MaineJen

        LOL. There was also no birth control. Out of 10 children in a family, 5 survived to adulthood. Population’s more than doubled.

  • Blake Chi

    Its good to see how desparate these pro vaxxer shills are getting.. this article really helps to make me realize how pathetic vaccines / the people pushing them are. “More child friendly that breast feeding”. Yeah because the boob has killed / damaged hundreds of baby’s. Ok. Good to know how blatantly obvious this all is. Thanks, Amy. You really helped me to see how pathetic vaccines really are. And people like you pushing them. :3 have a nice day. :3 it’s awesome so many people are awake.

    • Mike Stevens

      “Its good to see how desparate [sic] these pro vaxxer shills are getting….Yeah because the boob has killed / damaged hundreds of baby’s [sic]”

      The “desperation” is all from your side, and nicely corroborates Amy’s claim about your cognitive dissonance.
      She never said breastfeeding has killed hundreds of babies; she simply points out that vaccination has far greater benefits (saves more lives) than breastfeeding does.

    • Azuran

      Except that breastfeeding totally has killed/damages not hundreds, but tens of thousands of babies. For most of human history, babies died all the time because their mother didn’t make enough millk.
      Formula changed all that.
      And vaccination has saved millions of lives and still saves thousands every single year.

      • D V

        Complete garbage info. There’s always been wet nurses, and contributing family members to supply milk… and then there’s goats milk which is easily digestible.

        • Azuran

          Not everyone had access and could afford a wet-nurse. And having one today is not something that is in any way practical. Goat milk came with a lot of risks to babies, sure, some survived, but other did not. Especially when drinking unpasteurized milk.

        • And there have always been babies who starved to death for lack of the above, or who didn’t thrive on goats milk and died, or who caught a disease from a family member or wet nurse and died. Only the wealthy or lucky had consistent access to wet nurses, nursing family members, or even goats milk. And you know why there were so many wet nurses? Their babies died of other causes, so now they had milk but no baby. That … isn’t a recommendation to go back to those times.

  • Amy Tuteur, MD
  • Hawkology

    What a shill…how much u making on comissions!!! …Shame on you!!!

  • Steve Falconer

    Congrats, you are officially the dumbest human being on the planet..with a doctorates no less. The missing link may have actually been found after all.

    • momofone

      Says the guy who says “a doctorates”? I think you may be right about having found the missing link.

    • Amy Tuteur, MD

      Dunning Kruger is action!

    • MaineJen

      Yes, a doctorate means you are an MD. You are totally right.

  • Kitty Joy Amado

    Lord, what a lot of BS. How do you sleep at night, pushing these poisons on newborns and infants?

    • shay simmons

      1. Which poisons are in vaccines?

      2. At what levels are they present in vaccines?

      3. At what levels are they deemed to be hazardous?

      Anxiously awaiting your reply, complete with MSDS’.

    • Amy Tuteur, MD

      How do I sleep at night? I get my information from scientific literature, not websites for the gullible as you apparently do.

    • momofone

      A hell of a lot better than I would if I were potentially exposing vulnerable people to illnesses they can’t fight off. How do YOU sleep at night?

    • demodocus

      quite well, since my kids can sleep because they aren’t ill with diptheria, tetanus, chicken pox, polio, rubella, measles, mumps, rotavirus, flu, or pertussis.

    • JGC

      Kitty, what evidence do you have that any of the ingredients found in vaccine formulations are ‘poisonous’ or otherwise harmful at exposure levels achievable by routine childhood vaccination?

  • Gad Foltys

    The premise for the title is absurd. This title was composed by a shill/frond for big pharma and is fake science and certified insanity.

    • momofone

      We have “shill”!

      (Which is a clear indication that you have no argument of substance to share.)

  • demodocus

    Oh lookey! Someone must have posted a link on an anti-vaxxer board

  • Ratm

    I happen to agree Amy is a pharma whore fear monger.

    • momofone

      Wow. I’ve always been a big proponent of vaccinating, but after reading your thoughtful, well-reasoned comment, I’m rethinking my position.

      • D V

        You deserve a vaccine shot. In fact, have two!

        • momofone

          I’ve had lots. You’re welcome!

          • D V

            It shows.

          • momofone

            Thanks! I think so too.

    • Nick Sanders

      Too bad for you then that’s it’s not determined by how many people agree.

    • Amazing- an insulting, content-free flyby troll. Whatever shall we do?

      • Charybdis

        Grab a flit gun and spray them with CH3COOH. Or H2SO4. Or just bludgeon them with the flit gun.
        Oooh! Oooh! I know! Spray them with FluMist, so that way they get the flu vaccine. Too bad we can’t get the FluMist version of a pepper spray for use in these situations.

  • Jerry

    “My observations led to me to a fundamental conclusion: the most important thing for children is the sense that their parents love them. The specific method of birth, infant nourishment, and how many hours they were held each day is irrelevant.”

    What a quack. Infant nourishment is irrelevant? Emotional investment also irrelevant? Wow. How much more of a fundamental issue do you people need to see?

    Keep pumping your kids full of chemicals! Yep! That’ll sure show them how much mummy loves them!

    • Who?

      How does how many hours a child is held equate to emotional investment?

    • Nick Sanders

      It would take a hell of a lot of those tiny vaccine syringes to pump a child full of anything.

    • Oh yes, it surely will! I love my (hypothetical future) children enough to do everything I can to prevent them from suffering or dying unnecessarily. Isn’t that showing a lot of love?

      • Roadstergal

        My mom (biologist) got me all of the relevant vaccines. Back when it was a bigger antigen load for fewer diseases, but it was what they had, and it protected me from measles, mumps, rubella (separate shots then), diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus… man, the tetanus shot alone! I was able to play outside all I wanted, and when I managed to scratch myself or skin my knee or find the one rusty nail in the area to cut my finger on, no big – clean, bandage, kiss, done. Vaccination wasn’t the only way she showed her love, but it was a key part.

    • Roadstergal

      “Keep pumping your kids full of chemicals!”

      Given that the alternative is letting kids starve, I’m rather a fan of giving kids appropriate chemicals until they are indeed full. (Breastmilk is just FULL of chemicals!)

    • JGC

      Read with comprehension next time, Jerry. She didn’t say that infant nourishment is irrelevant, she instead said the method of infant nourishment (formula fed versus breast fed) is irrelevant.

    • shay simmons
  • D V

    Vacctivists want to deny the fruits of the modern world. Sterilization, sanitation, refrigeration, clean water filtration, personal hygiene, medical standardization, sewage systems, all of which has lowered deadly diseases, NOT injecting experimental chemicals, preservatives, food additives, fetus derivatives, animal blood, and genetically modified organisms. If you can’t make the connection between the rise in vaxxines and health issues like food allergies, autism, and cancer to name a few… then you deserve the sickness that comes with shooting up pHarmaceuticals.

    • Corblimeybot not logged in

      1) you never heard of the hygiene hypothesis, I see.

      2) you’re an ableist asshole; fuck your attitude toward autism

      3) I’m on the spectrum and so is my daughter, and she’s also has had cancer. Fuck you for endangering people like us with your ableism.

      4) you’re an idiot you just recites shit you read on the internet. You aren’t a thinker. You’re a mindless follower.

      • D V

        Add Tourette Syndrome to your growing list of vaxxine injuries.

        • Heidi

          Add Tourette’s to the list of things you are very ignorant about.

          • D V

            Add inability to detect sarcasm to your character flaws.

          • Who?

            Sooooo judgmental. So learned on immunology, psychology and semantics.

            Truly we are in the presence of greatness.

            Let’s see how good your sarcasm detector is.

          • shay simmons

            Add “being an utter asshole” to yours.

        • JGC

          Just as soon as you provide credible evidence that a causal association exists between routine childhood vaccination and Tourette’s syndrome.
          Got any?

    • demodocus

      My husband is blind from german measles. Go back to your antivaxxer cave.

      • D V

        I’m a measles, mumps, chicken pox, foot & mouth, shingles and flu survivor.

        • shay simmons

          And I’m married to a Panama and DS/DS veteran, which means everyone who goes to war comes back alive and uninjured, right?

        • demodocus

          Good for you. Obviously my husband’s a survivor, too. Practically unscathed. Jerk.

        • Roadstergal

          I avoided all of those except chicken pox (no vaccine when I was little). Sounds like I had a far healthier childhood than you (and a much more fun one).

        • Azuran

          Only in an antivaxxer’s twisted mind could having more diseases be a sign of health

        • Charybdis

          You do know that there are numerous influenza viruses that make people sick, right? And that the virus mutates, so that any immunity conferred by a previous episode is not effective/as effective against subsequent infections? This is why people get the flu more than once.
          I had chicken pox as a very young child. Pox in my hair, under my nails, crotch, EVERYWHERE. Miserable. And guess what? I can now get shingles. And I have had shingles. Twice. It sucks on ice. I’m too young for the shingles vaccine, so I am subject to tingling, searingly painful blistering rashes. My son had chicken pox when he was 9 months old. 9 months! No idea where he caught it, but he now has pox scars and he will be eligible for shingles as well, because the virus lays dormant in your nerve roots after you have had the disease.
          So trot your pro-disease, disease apologist self right on out of here. Thanks for playing, though. Here’s your year’s supply of Turtle Wax (TM) and Rice-A-Roni (TM) as parting gifts.

        • MaineJen

          Here’s your cookie. Go away.

        • JGC

          Which does not argue that these diseases are neither serious nor life-threatening.

          It’s just Survivor’s bias, as the people who would offer contrary personal testimony (“I was NOT a survivor of measles, mumps, chicken pox, foot & mouth, shingles or flu”) aren’t around to weigh in.

        • momofone

          I survived cancer. Do you advocate getting that too?

        • And wouldn’t it have been nice to NOT have to suffer through all that? Sounds truly miserable. For the price of a needle jab and a bit of a sore arm, you wouldn’t have had to deal with all that. Not the itching, not the fever, not the pain, not the being locked inside unable to play with your friends. You survived, but it’s hard to say you won.

    • Amy Tuteur, MD

      How would you know? Are you an immunologist?

      • D V

        Well, because of my common childhood diseases (several of which I’ve miraculously survived), I have immunity for life. Unlike vaccinations, which have a shedding period, cause the disease regularly in vaccinated populations, and are ineffective after a few years.

        Here’s an immunologist that agrees with me about the the illusion of “herd immunity” – http://vaxxter.com/harvard-immunologist-demolishes-mandatory-vaccination-logic/

        • Who?

          You don’t have immunity for life. I’ve had wild mumps twice.

          • D V

            Correction, YOU don’t have immunity for life. Speak for yourself.

          • shay simmons

            One of my former co-workers has had measles twice and per her titers check is still not immune.

          • JGC

            my son has had chicken pox three times, despite having been vaccinated. Some people simply don’t respond to some vaccines by producing a protective titer.

          • Who?

            So you acknowledge that for some people serious illness doesn’t confer lifelong immunity.

            And yet you don’t approve of vaccines, that help avoid the serious illness step altogether.

            Some people just love suffering.

        • JGC

          Please, not Dr. Obukhanych again, She is not, as the title suggests, a Harvard immunologist: she’s neither a Harvard faculty member nor did she attend Harvard. In fact, she’s neither an MD nor an immunologist.She’s a PhD with some experience in immunology who for a brief period worked at an immunology laboratory that affiliated with Harvard university.

          She is listed as an author on a total of 8 articles indexed in PubMed, only one of which where she’s listed as frist author. Only three articles concern immune response and no article offers evidence against the reality of herd immunity.

          I actually have a better publication record than Obukhanych.

    • kfunk937

      Amazing that you came out of a two-year disqus hiatus to make your second comment ever one so utterly without merit, and on an eight-month-old thread at that. At least you managed to squeeze in gratuitous ill-wishes at the end, though.

    • Azuran

      I’d invite you to come to my vet clinic and help me treat dogs with Parvo. After a while, you can recognize the particular smell of necrotizing intestine mixted in blood from a mile away.
      Then I’d be interested in hearing how you think that vaccination is useless and that the fact that 99% of puppies who get it are unvaccinated is somehow because they lack hygiene.

    • JGC

      So tell me–how exactly does sterilization, sanitation, refrigeration, clean water filtration, personal hygiene, medical standardization, sewage systems, etc. at to reduce the incidence of airborne diseases like measles or influenza?

      “If you can’t make the connection between the rise in vaxxines and health issues like food allergies, autism, and cancer to name a few”

      I certainly can’t make such a connection in the absence of evidence demonstrating the existence of a causal association between routine vaccination and food allergies, autism, and/or cancer.

      Do you have any such evidence?

    • shay simmons

      Oh, right. Back in the early 60s in the US and Canada, we all lived in squalor and fought for scraps, drank from open cesspools, and none of us ever saw a doctor. That explains why measles, mumps and chickenpox were universal.

  • john major

    Keep your needles away from kids. Period ……….

    • Poogles

      Sooo…if a child needs to undergo surgery, do we not give them anesthesia or sedatives or any other medications that may be needed? If they have Type 1 diabetes, do we not give them insulin injections? No epipens for allergic reactions? Or is it only the “icky” vaccine needles you’re against?

      • john major

        It’s not quite the same but nice try.

        • Azuran

          Indeed, seeing as vaccine are much safer than any general anaesthesia drug, safer than any antibiotics, safer than insulin AND vaccines have basically saved more lives than all of those put together.

        • momofone

          How exactly is it different?

        • Nick Sanders

          You’re the one who was bitching about “keep needles away from me” and “pumping kids fully of chemicals”. So please, don’t try to act like you aren’t getting called on your bullshit here.

      • N

        Don’t you understand??? Allergies and diabetes are caused by vaccines, like everything else. Without vaccines there would be no need for surgery or insulin or epipens. We would all live happily on a rainbow-planet with fluffy clouds and flowers and sparkles around us.

        (I have a cyste in my throat that will be removed next week. That is probably also due to all the vaccines I got in my live… or was it the fact that I was formula fed? Or born vaginally but with forceps intervention? But it could also be due to the fact that I had 3 c-sections. My body is probably addicted to surgery now and wants more and more and more…)

        • shay simmons

          I’m sure it’s because your chakras got mis-aligned.

          (edited to add: sorry to hear about the cyst, that sucks rocks).

    • Corblimeybot not logged in

      My kid had a major organ removed due to cancer. I guess you think she shouldn’t have been given IV anesthesia for that? A toddler should have stayed awake while a organ was cut from her body? But you think you’re compassionate, I’m sure.

      • john major

        ahh I think that is a little different than a vacinne.

        • Roadstergal

          It is. Modern vaccines are safer than GA.

        • Charybdis

          OOH! Please elaborate on that. This should be *fascinating* We’re all agog!

      • john major

        Sorry to hear that , however that is not a vacinne.

        • Mike Stevens

          No, but think of all the eeevul khemikals being forcibly pumped directly into the bloodstream…

    • demodocus

      I try and I try, but they do insist on helping me with my quilting.

      • john major

        Keep up the good work.

        • demodocus

          Why, thank you. ‘though you haven’t seen any of my quilts, unless you have received one of my charity ones, of course. my daughter will appreciate her blankie after her 12 month immunizations next week

    • D V

      The same idiots who preach “keep government hands off my body”, and “my body my choice” tend to be the same idiots who demand forced vaxxinations. Go figure.

      • Amy Tuteur, MD

        It seems to me that the idiots are the people who think that vaccination affects only themselves and their families.

        • D V

          Vaccinations are so successful that even in populations of 99% compliance, there are still outbreaks.

          Seems like vacctivists are hypochondriacs who aren’t very confident in their own medicine.

          • Amy Tuteur, MD

            Duh! Of course there are stil outbreaks. Apparently you have no idea how vaccines work.

          • Azuran

            How many ‘toxic chemicals’ do you think there is in all the medication kids will need when they catch all the VPD?

          • N

            None, because you don’t have to treat those diseases with medication. You just need homeopathic natural magic globuli.
            From my observations, people who refuse vaccines often refuse also antibiotics and painkillers/fever reducing medication. They sometimes also tend to be very special on diets. Like that 7 year old child in Italy that died of an ear infection, because the parents refused antibiotics and only used homeopathic medication. Or that baby in Belgium that died because its parents only feed it with “special milks” like “nut milk” or “oat milk”… They were probably just not “meant to live” and would have “died anyway”.

          • Nick Sanders

            When was the last smallpox outbreak?

      • momofone

        Oh, gosh no. I would never demand forced vaccinations. I think you should only vaccinate if you want to be able to interact in society. Otherwise stay in your hole; you seem comfortable there.

      • Charybdis

        Nope, not forced. Your choice, always. But there are repercussions to your choices. Choose not to vaccinate, then you don’t get to enjoy the benefits of society like public schools, etc. If you had truly thought through your decisions, you should be willing to accept the consequences (both positive and negative) of that decision. Like: “Yay! My kid doesn’t have to get the MMR because I have a problem with that! What do you mean s/he can’t join the soccer team, enroll in school, etc?”
        We can’t force you to vaccinate, but you can’t force those of us who do to let you participate in group activities.

    • FallsAngel

      Antivaxers are afraid of needles.

      • kfunk937

        A rather “enthusiastic” Ron Paul supporter, too, full of doom and gloom. There’s no telling how much AAPS pseudoscience the speaker absorbed while under the influence. I doubt he read the post, anyway.

        • MaineJen

          Well! Knock me over with a feather.

          • kfunk937

            =)
            Another commenter who emerged—parachuted in— this time after a four-year disqus hiatus, to comment on on an eight-month-old thread. (Not that it wasn’t a good post and thread, mind you.) One wonders if there was a bat-signal. Maybe on a “Buy Gold!!11!” FB group.

      • john major

        Don’t go full retard never go full retard.

    • kfunk937

      So orally and nasally administered vaccines are okay then? Good to know. Gotta start somewhere. Is there something about needles that specifically preturbs you?

      • D V

        The oral polio vaxxines were banned in America for their explosive rate of polio infections. So they shipped the expiring lot to India, who is now having an epidemic. You can thank Bill Gates Foundation for this.

        • shay simmons

          India is using seventeen year old vaccines?

          • Charybdis

            It’s my understanding that they use the oral polio vaccines in parts of the world where refrigeration may be an issue and the oral vaccines can be given by volunteers and its method of action ensures that person-to-person transmission is interrupted, because it provides immunity inside the gut and can stop the spread of wild polio.

        • Amy Tuteur, MD

          The crazy is strong with this one!

          • D V

            Yeah… in your world it is “crazy” to learn about the risks of vaxxines, how they are made, their ingredients, and the diseases they cause which outweigh any perceived benefit.

            In your limited view of the world, the BILLIONS of payouts made by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program must be a conspiracy. Only 20% of the cases every reach the vaxxine court, so most devastated families are un reported and left to deal with the injury without help.

          • JGC

            The billions in payouts went to how many plaintiffs in total, DV?

            Of those plaintiffs, how many received compensation for a table injury–i.e. as the result of a negotiated settlement in which the NVICP did not find that the vaccine received caused the injury compensation is given for?

            How many billions of doses of vaccines have been given over the period of time the NVICP has been awarding compensation for vaccine injuries?

            What does the number of awards given per million doses of vaccines work out to?

        • momofone

          I would love to see your sources for these claims.

        • kfunk937

          Facts are just not your thing, are they?

        • FallsAngel

          Oral polio vaccines were not “banned” in the US. “Explosive rate of polio infections”, LOL! OPV caused 6-7 cases of VAPP per year in the US out of 15 MILLION doses given per year. The US has not used OPV since 1999, a mere 18 years now.

        • Nick Sanders
      • Mister Atoz

        They’re a lot sharper than he is.

      • john major

        No please don’t go full retard ok….. orally nasally needles just keep that shit from me.

      • john major

        Nope not good. Keep that shit away from me.

    • Charybdis

      Only if they are filled with insulin (and the kid isn’t diabetic), heroin, euthasol, potassium chloride or other dangerous substances.
      Vaccines? Load ’em up! Hep B, DTaP, MMR, Flu, Varicella (if applicable), HPV, Polio, Meningococcal ACWY/MenB, Hib and Pneumococcal. More, if traveling internationally.
      Put that immune system through several dress rehearsals so that when the person is exposed to the disease, it snaps right into action and isn’t running around frantically trying to figure out where the disaster procedure manual is and what to do.

  • David

    I looked at the twitter accusation. The accuser is a total whack job who has multiple posts on how the world is still flat among other conspiracy theories.

  • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

    Anyone who argues that breastfeeding is better than vaccines obviously never studied history before the invention of either.

  • Irène Delse

    Just got my flu vaccine this morning! I will never breastfeed anyone, but not passing on a disease to new babies or pregnant women is something i can do!

  • Cat10

    Sorry but I am just reading this on Amandha Dawn Vollmer’s website and I cannot stop laughing:
    “Angelic Reiki® is a powerful and beautiful hands-on healing technique that works with the highest energies of the Angelic Realm to bring about healing and balance on all levels to those receiving the healing energy.
    Through Angelic Reiki® it is possible to send healing to ourselves and other people, places and situations,
    both near and far.”

  • StephanieJR

    Satanic? Really?

    Y’know, I had to look in my rabbit’s litter tray for a shit to give about the anti-vaxxers opinions; sadly, it had just been emptied. What a shame.

    (I want to get her a fake doctorate from one of those dodgy online universities, and troll these idiots so hard)

    • BeatriceC

      I have plenty of bird poop to go around, in case you need more.

      Do you have any idea just how much macaws poop?

  • Isilzha

    Will you invite me to your next satanic invocation?

  • indigosky

    “My mission is to assist people in their true freedom, health & awakening goals, bring alive love within community”

    Yup, nothing like calling someone a cunt to bring love alive. I frequently call people cuts, assholes and fucktards to show them how full of love I am.

    • Sean Jungian

      Oh right, that was my first thought when I looked at her FB page, “this woman is positively OVERFLOWING with love!”

      • indigosky

        If that’s love, I don’t want to see her hate.

    • Allie

      My almost 4-year-old has recently picked up the word “asshole.” Was going to lecture my husband about minding his language, but I see now it’s just that they are so full of love, which needs must find its natural expression : )

      • indigosky

        My daughter picked up the word at 3. It was hard to get mad at her, because she used it in context. Nothing like having someone cut us off and her going “nice going, asshole.” I never knew someone could be both proud at mortified at the same time.

        • sdsures

          LMAssholeO!

          You have one smart cookie there!

  • OttawaAlison

    Funny how the people who scream “Satanic Medical Agenda” use tablets, smartphones and computers. Wouldn’t they also be satanic since it was created with science?

    • Isilzha

      I wish there were a way to revoke their ability to use anything science has created

      • BeatriceC

        I particularly liked the comment by the woman who said that her refrigerator and car didn’t count as scientific advances because they are mechanical. I laoughed to the point of cramps in my sides on that one.

        • Allie

          That’s priceless!

    • Mishimoo

      Funny you should say that – when my parents really bought into the Satanic Panic of the mid 90’s, my single computer game ‘disappeared’ and the only program allowed on our computer was an MS DOS version of The Bible (with concordance) because computers were classed as evil.

  • demodocus

    Do you smell of sulfur, Dr. T? Just like President O? 😉

  • lawyer jane

    I wonder if even the reduction in gastro illnessess associated with breastfeeding has now disappeared since the rotovirus vaccine began?

    • Roadstergal

      The study needs to be done. And it’d be nice if ‘days in daycare’ was added to the analysis as a variable.

      • Dinolindor

        And not just for the kid followed, daycare/school for siblings should be tracked too. I can’t tell you how many colds my son brought home from preschool got passed onto my daughter.

      • Sarah

        No it wouldn’t, the results might be inconvenient! Best leave it as it is.

  • Brooke

    She’s a reiki master or something not a lactivist.

    • Sean Jungian

      LOL trust Brookie to leap on the most insignificant detail! “Whatever she is, she isn’t what you said she is!”

      #thatsourbrooke

      • Gatita

        From now on, every time Brooke says something ignorant (iow, every time she types a comment here) I’m answering with #thatsourbrooke.

        • Sean Jungian

          It just fits doesn’t it?

      • demodocus

        i misread that as that sour rather than that’s our

        • Sean Jungian

          lol I think that works, too

    • Nick Sanders

      Woo is not mutually exclusive.

    • Roadstergal

      Because Venn diagrams never overlap.

      • moto_librarian

        I actually laughed out loud!

    • momofone

      This is what you took from this?

      • Kq

        You sound surprised for some reason.

        • momofone

          You’re right. I have no idea why I’d expect any different.

    • indigosky

      She works at a company called Yummy Mummy Emporium which touts “all natural” items for babies. That always means lactivist.

    • corblimeybot

      Jesus H. Christ, Brooke, at least TRY to pretend you aren’t stoned when you make these posts.

    • Heidi

      I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive.

  • The Bofa on the Sofa

    vontinuously promotes the satanic medical agenda

    This is an interesting choice of words. “THE …medical agenda.” Not “a” medical agenda, or “her” medical agenda.

    It’s a concession that Dr Amy is merely reflecting the consensus medical view, which is what she considers “satanic”

    • Roadstergal

      So – is the satanic medical agenda linked to the gay agenda? I’m trying to manage my calendars.

      • Gatita

        It’s so hard when the “Recruit Children” and “Poison Children for Profit” meetings are scheduled for the same time.

        • Sean Jungian

          So embarrassing when you pull out the wrong notebook!

    • Erin

      Ah so that’s why it took so long for them to decide that I needed a section, they had to sacrifice a virgin (probably hard to find in a Maternity hospital) and read the entrails.

    • mabelcruet

      I think you’re giving her far too much credit for her thought processes! I doubt there was much logic or choice behind her choice of definite article.

      • Mishimoo

        Nah, there’s this subsect of Christianity in which adherents genuinely believe the world is run by Satanists and that all medical professionals are Satanists. The heel prick test and all blood tests are used to dedicate babies/people to Satan, people dying in hospitals are sacrifices, organs removed for testing in autopsies are used for Black Magic, etc. Jack Chick published books by a disgraced doctor (until they had a falling out), and people ran with it from there.

        • mabelcruet

          Seriously? Well, I suppose there is no difference between that and the belief that vaccination programmes are a huge conspiracy between every single doctor and nurse in the world and the pharmaceutical industry, including all governments and all global health organisations.

          Having said that, I’ve done thousands of autopsies in my time and never once used an organ in a demon summoning invocation-fresh liver from the butcher was always easier…

          • Mishimoo

            I was raised in it. It’s one hell of a mindfuck, especially when you leave and learn just how ridiculous that set of beliefs is!

            Some of my friends find that simply yelling is usually enough to summon a demon, no liver needed 😉

  • mabelcruet

    If you have a read of her facebook page (take a deep breath and try it for the giggles), its fairly obvious her brain was irretrievably broken before she ever set eyes on AT’s recent post! That said, I never knew Dr T was the henchwoman of the evil, satanic, Khazarian empire (whatever that might be…)

    • Erin

      Wow, the level of anti-semitism on her facebook is rather scary.

      I think (it came up recently during a discussion on ethics and the Holocaust in my University course) that the Khazarian empire is the idea that some people (and I use the word “people” loosely) believe that modern Jewish people aren’t actually Jewish at all. It seems to go in hand in hand with Holocaust deniers and those who believe that Judaism = Satanism (possibly without the goats).

      Putin seems like an odd hero for her though.

    • Azuran

      Oh wow, she is also very anti-semitist.

      • mabelcruet

        I’m going to go out on a limb and say that she believes the following:

        The new world order and the fact that we are ruled by 7 foot tall lizards: that the moon landings never happened, and 9/11 was an inside job; that the Holocaust never happened; that JFK is somewhere having dinner with Elvis and enjoying life; that Princess Diana was murdered by the Duke of Edinburgh; that AIDS is man-made; that fluoridation of water supplies is a way to subdue the population; that aliens are living in Area 51; that the British royal family are actually Martians; and Beyonce is a clone.

        • Sean Jungian

          But what about the chemtrails????

          She does proudly proclaim herself to be a Truther. But what is a “Wildcrafter”, pray tell?

          • mabelcruet

            Its someone who forages for food in the wild-plants, obviously (she’s bound to be vegan). You eat only what the good earth gives you, you don’t disrupt the natural order of things by planting yourself.

          • mabelcruet

            I forgot about the chemtrails! Its obviously because I’m one of the brainwashed SHEEPLE, overdosed on fluoride and subdued via malignant vaccines. I, for one, welcome our Alien lizard overlords and their lovely, lovely, poisons…

          • Sean Jungian

            Okay, okay I’m trying to think of one she isn’t – maybe Young Earth Creationist? Oh man, it is really tough not to think she’s a Poe… I mean it’s the perfect storm of conspiracies…

          • Allie

            Can our Alien lizard overlords guarantee the divine arts of wine-, beer-, and chocolate-making will endure? If so, I’m down with them.

          • BeatriceC

            I take issue with the fact that our overlords are reptilian. I’m positive we have Avian overlords. Damned birds are on a mission to take over the world.

          • demodocus

            You may be right about the birds. My Iguana People have been having trouble with them.
            I’m thinking of setting up another account as the Empress and join all the science sites but only talk when the lizard overlords are mentioned.

          • mabelcruet

            Actually, our overlords are Feline, and are using Evil Attack Parrots as their personal enforcers to ensure that us sheeple are kept in check.

          • BeatriceC

            Pretty sure it’s the other way around. But one thing is for certain, if birds and cats ever learn to truly get along, humanity is in trouble.

          • mabelcruet

            I’m now having visions of attack parrots saddling up big cats and rounding up all the dumb humans like sheep

          • BeatriceC

            It could happen. My parrots have me extremely well trained.

          • Maud Pie

            A world run by feline overlords would be a world where introverts are free to read and swat at anyone who bothers them. Bring it on!

          • StephanieJR

            I always thought it was rabbits- just look at what they did to Australia…

          • Reality022

            I recently saw a documentary on the Avian Overlord Conspiracy. It featured Tippi Hedren and Rod Taylor demonstrating the depth of the conspiracy and the danger we are in… Of course the mainstream ornithological “expert” was covering the whole thing up with denial.

          • Azuran

            Found a post on her FB that claimed the last hurricane was made with chemtrails. So you can add that to the list of stupid things she believes

          • Mishimoo

            Wildcrafters harvest herbs/plants/fruits/etc from pretty much anywhere as long as it’s not human-planted. A lot of them claim to do it ethically and sustainably, but I have my reservations about that.

        • BeatriceC

          There’s an anti fluoride post on her page so we can definitely check off that box.

        • demodocus

          Leave my Iguana People out of this, crazy Amanda with an H.
          Sincerely, The Empress.

    • Sean Jungian

      AND a flat-earther/moon landing denier to boot? Wow, she checks off ALL the boxes on Conspiracy Theorist Bingo doesn’t she?

      • Erin

        and all the moody selfies…

        It has to be satire right?

        • Sean Jungian

          lol I just saw that too, I mean how many photos of yourself with the exact same expression does one person really need?

          • AirPlant

            Are you asking my snapchat feed? Because nobody will like the answer…

        • Sean Jungian

          I almost – almost – think she could be a Poe, but I hate to be wrong about that.

          • Roadstergal

            I’m always wrong about that. 🙁 🙁

          • Kq

            I’m always wrong about Poes. I have too much optimistic faith in humanity.

      • namaste863

        Flat earthers are a thing? Seriously? They didn’t all die off during the Renaissance?

        • Sean Jungian

          Oh, they are most definitely a thing. I, too, thought it must be an “ironic” kind of thing but NOPE. They really do believe the Earth is flat.

      • StephanieJR

        Ooh, I have a new game! I love reading about crazy conspiracy theories; they’re hilarious.

    • BeatriceC

      I’m confused as to who this “her” is that we’re talking about. Then again, I’ve had kind of a rough few days and have only been skimming the new comments.

      • Sean Jungian

        Sorry, @disqus_2SLSRqtokm:disqus it’s the woman referenced in the post Amandha Dawn Vollmer.

        Don’t forget the “h” in “Amandha”.

        • BeatriceC

          Thanks. I’ve had a chaotic week. Between then boys, the birds, and my facebook group (now at 1300 women), my brain is mush.

          • Sean Jungian

            Take a break and relax by poking a little fun at too-serious conspiracy theorists 🙂

            I hope things start going more smoothly for you soon.

          • BeatriceC

            Thanks. 🙂 Things are actually pretty good, well, sort of. Mostly
            Just a lot of stuff that on their own wouldn’t be too terrible but all together makes me really, really busy.

          • demodocus

            (hugs)

        • Jetske Goslinga

          Just when you think people can’t be THAT stupid batshit crazy… you visit this woman’s facebook page and realize you were oh so wrong! They can be worse!

    • Anonymous

      Wow, she’s racist, anti-semitic, antivax, the whole nine yards.

      • BeatriceC

        Don’t forget moon landing conspirorist.

        • namaste863

          You’re kidding. A moon landing conspirorist? Seriously?

          • BeatriceC

            Nope. There’s several moon landing conspiracy posts on her page.

        • Allie

          I’m completely on board with vaccinations and fed-is-best, but she’s so right about the alleged moon landing. Totally faked ; )

        • Anonymous

          Oooh missed that one

  • lilin

    ” If that’s true, and the benefits of vaccination are greater than the benefits of breastfeeding, that makes anti-vaxxers even more selfish, ignorant and lazy, a simply intolerable thought.”

    This is it. All those crappy bottle-feeding moms you guys were scoffing at and feeling righteous about? Turns out you are “worse” than they are!

  • Sarah

    Delicious lactivist tears. Bring me the bath salts!

  • Sean Jungian

    Oy, the drama-drenched hyperbole of these folks!! Satanically evil!!!!

    • Roadstergal

      Isn’t it funny, too, that most lactivists profess to be feminist and all about Female Empowerment – but are so, so quick to jump onto insults like ‘cunt’ and ‘witch’ and ‘fat, ugly old woman’?

      • Gatita

        We need a reclamation movement for the word cunt similar to what happened with queer. I’m sick and tired of a reference to my genitalia being supposedly the most vile and disgusting thing you can call someone.

        How about we come up with a word to mean, “Grabbing someone’s genitals without their consent” and use that instead, because that really is vile.

        • Roadstergal

          I agree. I happen to really like my cunt!

          • Gatita

            Me too! #CuntsAreAwesome #ReclaimTheCunt

          • Acricket
          • Gatita

            lololol

          • corblimeybot

            I’ve always been a fan of that one.

          • demodocus

            Mine and i still aren’t talking much.

          • The Bofa on the Sofa
          • sdsures

            Me, too! “Cunt” has slightly less of a bad reputation here as an insult than in the US.

        • BeatriceC

          It’s kinda already started in certain kink subcultures.

        • Sean Jungian

          I think I might want a reclamation for “fat, ugly old woman”!!

          • Gatita

            Fat, ugly old woman = You don’t want to have sex with me? AWESOME!

          • Sean Jungian

            Definitely one of the perks of being fat, old and ugly – I no longer have to put up with unwanted attention (let alone the touching) and I no longer have to worry that a man is only being nice to me to get into my pants.

      • Sean Jungian

        Right? I question anyone who identifies as a feminist and yet continues to throw women and women’s bodily autonomy under the bus regularly.

      • Sarah

        Yes, the ageism always shows itself almost immediately, doesn’t it? Naturally no shrivelled up bitch in her 50s could have anything of value to say (well, unless she’s relactated for her grandchildren). Burn the witches.

        • Sean Jungian

          Unfuckable? Invisible.

      • mabelcruet

        I genuinely do not understand why lactivists and the like can consider themselves to be champions of female empowerment when they present female biological processes as being the only goal of womanhood. But if they consider giving birth and lactating as the ultimate power, then to them, ‘cunt’ is the most powerful curse word. Cunt portrays sexual power-it started out as a word that meant a sexually active woman, a dominant woman who enjoyed sex for its own sake, not for procreation. A woman who wants sex without procreation obviously goes against everything lactivists and their cohorts believe, so to them, its a bad, bad word because you are denying your body’s womanhood and denying its biological power and functions.

    • mabelcruet

      Exactly! Why do they all sound like they’ve swallowed a thesaurus? Remember the incredible bungee-jumping baby whose cord snapped when the midwife delivered it in mid-air and surprise, surprise, the cord doesn’t stretch that far? Apparently, criticising the midwife and mother doesn’t just upset them, it ‘broke someone’s soul’. Is it all part of their one-upmanship? They don’t just deliver a baby, they open their soul to the universe and are blessed?

      • kilda

        well yeah, because they don’t just “deliver a baby,” they bring it Earthside – they transport it onto this plane from some otherworldly realm. (I always assumed the inside of my uterus was located on Earth but apparently it is not.)

        • mabelcruet

          You obviously have a transcendental uterus. Or maybe a multi-dimensional uterus? Your uterus is as one with string theory and branes…

        • Angela

          “Earthside”, what a stupid way to phrase it. Where is the baby when it’s inside the mother, Mars?

          • demodocus

            ponders the possibility and thinks it might explain a thing or two

          • Kq

            No, duh. It’s Venus. MEN are from Mars.

            Wait. Maybe that means boys come earthside from Mars and girls from Venus? Now I’m confused…

      • Sean Jungian

        It reminds me a lot of the over-the-top purple prose that MRAs use. Nothing is just bad or wrong, it’s horrifically terrible or an unforgivably deleterious slap in the face!

        • mabelcruet

          Can I also throw in another irritant of mine? Is there a tendency to give themselves ‘mystical’ names? Diane Bartlett became Whapio, TIna Bailey became Rowan, Sheena Byrom twitters as ‘sagefemme’ (wise woman), Amanda Vollmer becomes Amandha. Its like if you want to preside over a mystical, empowering, ‘feel the strength of the mother goddess moving like fire in your body to bring your sweet baby earthside’ soul expanding process, you have to be a Rowena or an Arianrhod, or an Arwen Evenstar, not a Mabel.

          • demodocus

            Though Arwen might be a more common name thanks to hippie parents than Mabel in the US. 😉

          • mabelcruet

            That’s true. There’s probably a fair few Galadriels in high school by now-they’ll end up as accountants or structural engineers in protest at hippie parents!

          • demodocus

            There was one on Jeopardy! a while back. Her parents were among the original hippies

          • Sean Jungian

            To me that is really close to culture-appropriation, whether it be of First Peoples’, or Celtic, or what-have-you. Anything to disguise the glaring white suburbanity.

      • Allie

        The soul-universe thing kinda sounds nicer than “I squeezed until she plopped out, destroying by girl parts in the process,” though.

    • J.B.

      But what about Trumpifically evil?

      • Gatita

        Tomato, Tomahto

      • Sean Jungian

        Sheesh, right? Talk about the poster boy for “the banality of evil”!

      • Kq

        There’s a difference?

        No, I’m serious. To wit:

        “Unlike its theoretical caricature, genuine Satanism evolved from atheism. After all, the mythological Satan doesn’t worship any gods above Himself. Neither do we. Every Satanist is his or her own god. You can’t get more Satanic than that!”

        Source: http://www.churchofsatan.com/on-definition-of-satanism.php